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10-25-2017 , 12:00 PM
Playing a live $1/$2 home game, table is currently 9-handed. Hero has everyone covered.

V1 is an ok thinking player, not great but not totally awful. Normally pretty tight/passive but likes to limp.

V2 is pretty spewy pre, reasonable post-flop but loves to draw without odds.

We are $60 effective with V1 and $340 with V2.

V1 limps UTG, Hero raises to $10 with JJ, V2 calls OTB, V1 calls.

3 ways to a flop of J96

V1 checks, we check, V2 bets $22 into a pot of $33, V1 jams for $50.

Hero??

So pre-flop, the table isn't super loose and calling huge raises like a casino. Everyone knows what they are doing somewhat, so $10 is very standard against one limp. On the flop, I feel like JJ is a great hand to have in my checking range (I would bet 66 or 99), especially when V2 loves to bet draws and I block top pair.

After V2 bets and V1 jams, I don't love any of the options here. Obviously we have the nuts, but our options aren't great. Flatting gives V2 a fantastic price to draw and maybe a chance to bluff? We could flat and just hope for a board pair but I feel like we miss too much value. Raising small or to something like $150 shows so much strength, and we are slightly too deep to overbet shove. We would probably price out his draws that way even if he is normally sticky.

Thoughts? I'll post results later.
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10-25-2017 , 12:17 PM
$200

If V1 likes to draw when he doesn't have the odds, I say we give him a chance to do so.
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10-25-2017 , 12:21 PM
I'd raise. Like 140. If we call and v calls it's a dry side pot and it's going to be harder to get value on later streets in a dry side pot.

Also by calling we don't keep in many hands that would fold to our 3bet but just call (that we want to keep in, like Jx,9x) etc. And even if we do keep those hands in we can't extract value on the turn due to dry side pot.

Tldr yes absolutely you should be raising
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10-25-2017 , 01:15 PM
Why would you bet 66 and 99 but not top set? With so many flush and straight draws possible I think I'm still firing... V2 apparently likes to draw without odds but will also bet the draws himself, but what was your plan if V1 just called or folded instead of raising?

Check-raising, let alone check-reraising after you were the pfr kinda screams strength... If V2 is really such a station that it won't spook him then sure. Just flatting two bets now and suddenly leading a safe turn is also super strong, so like you said both options kinda suck and the initial check is what got you there.
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10-25-2017 , 01:25 PM
$95

Next time just bet $25 on the flop.
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10-25-2017 , 01:26 PM
Also give people time to talk about it before you post the results.
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10-25-2017 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Also give people time to talk about it before you post the results.
My bad, I'll wait
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10-25-2017 , 01:29 PM
Good talk.
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10-25-2017 , 03:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeysHammer
Playing a live $1/$2 home game, table is currently 9-handed. Hero has everyone covered.

V1 is an ok thinking player, not great but not totally awful. Normally pretty tight/passive but likes to limp.

V2 is pretty spewy pre, reasonable post-flop but loves to draw without odds.

We are $60 effective with V1 and $340 with V2.

V1 limps UTG, Hero raises to $10 with JJ, V2 calls OTB, V1 calls.

3 ways to a flop of J96

V1 checks, we check, V2 bets $22 into a pot of $33, V1 jams for $50.

Hero??

So pre-flop, the table isn't super loose and calling huge raises like a casino. Everyone knows what they are doing somewhat, so $10 is very standard against one limp. On the flop, I feel like JJ is a great hand to have in my checking range (I would bet 66 or 99), especially when V2 loves to bet draws and I block top pair.

After V2 bets and V1 jams, I don't love any of the options here. Obviously we have the nuts, but our options aren't great. Flatting gives V2 a fantastic price to draw and maybe a chance to bluff? We could flat and just hope for a board pair but I feel like we miss too much value. Raising small or to something like $150 shows so much strength, and we are slightly too deep to overbet shove. We would probably price out his draws that way even if he is normally sticky.

Thoughts? I'll post results later.
Our options aren't great? I love our options....other than folding of course. Im fine with calling, raising or shoving all in. I think I can get this guy all in now or later in the hand. The best time to do it depends on what cards he happens to have. You are the one playing with him. What do you put him on?
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10-25-2017 , 04:39 PM
V1 is an ok thinking player yet plays with $60 and limp/calls pre from UTG? Does not compute!

As played, raise to $100 - $125. I normally don't like "min-raises," but this is a fine spot for one.

Personally, I would have bet the flop.
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