Yeah the problem is your "post flop edge" is diminished by the fact it's very difficult to get anyone to fold with out commiting large amounts of chips. To get 4 1/1 home game guys with no hand reading/relative hand strength knowledge to fold without piling in a Tonne of chips is not common, (the pots is 50 now assuming the button calls which is a fair assumption haha) and you also have the issue the sb is strong! Added to that we have reverse implied odds and we are gonna have to stack off a lot post if our 2pair+ is beaten purely because the stacks are so shallow.

If villain's range is super strong then yes most of the value is derived from hitting and stacking him. Fortunately, if he is super strong pre he is far more likely to stack off light post. That's not to say that other opportunities don't arise even when he is super strong pre that we can exploit if we sense weakness.

Btw, I disagree adamantly with the premise that we must stack off with hands like two pairs or even flushes simply because stack sizes are relatively short. (Which they really aren't here we are getting over 30x raise vs villains stack size...not mentioning all the other money in the pot)

We are stacking off almost always on a J8x board against these guys no? We are piling it in otf often in the scenario given in the op. On 8 high boards are we checking when checked to us? are we calling when the sb leads for 35? And it's folded to us? On a J high board? What happens when it looks like we are up against a made hand and a flush draw? We are just to shallow to get meaningful information and when we hit big we are forced to go with it, when we have a marginal hand we are forced to fold (given that generally I imagine f/e is virtually non existent). I think the argument for floating and blowing people of hands later on just isn't there.

[QUOTE=PokerIsTooEasy;45185429]If villain's range is super strong then yes most of the value is derived from hitting and stacking him. Fortunately, if he is super strong pre he is far more likely to stack off light post. That's not to say that other opportunities don't arise even when he is super strong pre that we can exploit if we sense weakness.

No that's precisely to say "other opportunities won't arise"

You're pretty much asking "how do you play LAG?" which certainly can't be summed up in a single post. LAG is a viable strategy and mainly involves playing speculative hands like this mostly from late position. Generally we will come in for a raise but sometimes we will limp depending on table dynamics. To be honest, if I have ultimate last position at a soft table I'll play virtually any 2 suited cards even when shorter than 100bbs, so J8 looks semi-premium to me. At a tough table my range of playable hands tightens up dramatically.

[QUOTE=Drbennyboombass;45185608] Don't you know the old saying, "Everytime I raise with Kings an Ace comes out on the flop"? These guys tend to be quite unlucky.

Ship turn obv.

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[QUOTE=PokerIsTooEasy;45185652]You're pretty much asking "how do you play LAG?" which certainly can't be summed up in a single post. LAG is a viable strategy and mainly involves playing speculative hands like this mostly from late position. Generally we will come in for a raise but sometimes we will limp depending on table dynamics. To be honest, if I have ultimate last position at a soft table I'll play virtually any 2 suited cards even when shorter than 100bbs, so J8 looks semi-premium to me. At a tough table my range of playable hands tightens up dramatically.[/QUOTE

I'm not asking any questions on how to play lag. Sometimes I play what might be described as lag if the conditions are right, but never this shallow and against 4 guys who between them will never fold. I play according to table conditions and stack depth I am neither lag nor tag

[QUOTE=PokerIsTooEasy;45185680] It's 4 way

I think the turn call is perfectly fine. You might be able to get more value out of a two pair hand that may fold to a turn raise but call a river bet. (The opposite of course could be true. It depends if you think he incorrectly calls without a straight.) Additionally, the call opens the door for a bluff attempt by him on the river.

River is a very easy call getting 3:1. He usually has a J. You probably run into AJ slightly more often than you run into a bluff.

[QUOTE=Drbennyboombass;45185777]
This is poker so there are all sorts of possibilities of what actions may take place on the flop and future streets. This is multiway but if he bets and others fold suddenly it is not as multiway as it once was. Maybe he checks an ace high flop and then someone else bets...that is another possibility with potential to exploit.

J[QUOTE=PokerIsTooEasy;45185890] How are you going to exploit a situation where a guy from the field leads on an ace high board when the sb raised pf the pot is somewhere in the region of $80 with a guy otb left to act and we have 240 behind?

[QUOTE=Drbennyboombass;45185962]J If he bets $35 then pot is $115, so if a raise to $115 wins the pot more than 50% of the time then it is positive EV to raise. Of course we wouldn't make such a decision lightly. We would first need to make sure we understand all of the relevant information to make an optimal decision. That's just an example.

[QUOTE=PokerIsTooEasy;45186118] Well the pot would be 80. 50 + say 30 the guy in the field leads with. If I'm honest I can't think of many worse spots to start running a bluff in a raised 4 way pot in some 1/2 home game.

My advice to op is don't limp call J8s 125bb deep in these types of games and you will either start to loose less or win more.