The game is super loose and passive a lot players down money, chasing more, calling more, lot of player to flop. There loose/agg player (only becauseof his chip stack) who has managed to build his stack up to $2500+ he is on a heater flopping the nuts a few times.

Hero (BB): Tight-Nit only played two pots, top set of queens and full house. Hasnt bluffed tonight, hasnt raised preflop either. ($450)

UTG: The table captain, the chip bully, playing a lot of pots, raising preflop a lot since he got his big sack. I dont think he his bluffing a lot, just hitting a good run of cards or taking down pots that no one seems intrested in, since most players fear the big stack as he could wipe them out in one hand I guess. ($2500)

UTG+1: New player, seems kind of fishy, I havnt seen him bluff but called a c/r all in verus the The Table Captain with just Ace-Jack high and hit runner runner straight for a $350 pot when Table Captain had AK for top pair top kicker. ($350)

MP: Chaser, fish. Plays his cards face, been quiet all night not raising much. ($200)

Pre-Flop: Hero is dealt KQ
UTG makes it $10, UTG1 calls, MP calls, Hero calls, everyone else folds.

I was in two minds to raise here, usually if I 3bet I get a bunch of callers anyway, and fir sure UTG will call if not raise with a better hand and I have to muck it.

Flop: KJ4 4 Players ($40)
Hero checks, UTG reaches for chips like $50 but UTG1 acts out of turn and bets $30, UTG says "okay check then" action stands, action is on MP who calls, Hero calls, UTG calls

UTG1 just threw me here. I think he also has a King, or just a Jack. MP is easy to read and he has QT. The problem is UTG wanted to bet so I am like WTF...

Turn: 2 ($130)
UTG bets $120, UTG1 folds, MP folds, Hero????

I point at UTG1 and said you threw me off there on the flop then you fold on a blank 2 of spades, I turn to MP and say "you had QT" at this point UTG says "People will call to see two cards but not one" we get talking and I say I think I have the best hand, he says something like "you need a Queen kicker" or something about kickers which leads me to think he has KT/KJ/AK/KQ which means UTG1 was bluffing at the pot with just a Jack or something.

I like everything about this hand except the excesive table talk on the turn. This isn't Rounders and you're not Matt Damon; save the sould reads for when there's a Judge's internship on the line.

That said, preflop you can't really raise for value since one of them probably has an A at least. You can't really isolate since they're all calling. And this is too good a hand to fold, so call is good.

I'm a little torn on the flop. You probably have the best hand and with a board that dry your equity is pretty good too so I'm tempted to raise. But stacks are still deep and you have maneuvering room in a multiway pot (ie can still fold if it gets nuts), so I'm OK with the call.

The turn card and ensuing action just about has me messing my pants!! A complete blank and you end up HU with the bully... I'm calling him down 100%.

PF : Perfect. I don't three bet here like ever. Could be a leak of my own? Folding would be silly imo, as you are fairly deep and have lots of nut potential.

Flop : I like folding a bit. You have the possibility of getting sandwiched, pf raiser is still yet to speak and it's not a great board for you (KJ just caught up). OTOH pf raiser is someone I wouldn't mind gambling with, no one ever leads strong hands into the pf raiser (apparently they haven't gotten around to reading super system yet, although of course i love leading strong hands in pots like this most players will c/r a mosnter here or more likely c/c). On the turn I don't see the 2 changing anything and you would think UTG would c/r a monster on the flop given the two players trapped in between, but you only have one pair so there is really no shame in mucking, but really any of the three options (call fold or raise) are fine, so long as if you call the turn you call any river.

I like your willingness to let this go. I think raising the turn would be a mistake though.

Lol, i have no idea why you went round the table trying to boost your ego. Fold turn

You are right I shouldnt of said anything, it just seemed ****** werid to me that UTG+1 acts out of turn -eager to get chips in, then the blankest of dry cards hits the turn and.....he folds. My point was that by doing so "The Table Captain" hand now looks so much stronger IMO as he clearly can not be bluffing the turn. And since UTG+1 does not bluff often and I have a King, WTF does UTG have that wants to lead but ends up check-calling the flop and then leading on a blank turn and then UTG+1 insta-mucks.

So Call>>Fold>>>>>>>>>>Raise

Why not raise?

Thoughts on leading flop or even C/R?

Well, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. The times you lose, shoving and calling down lose the same amount of money. But by raising you give him a chance to fold a worse hand, so the times you win you win less money on average.

Call the turn, check/call any none spade, ace or straightening river.

This is what I'm thinking except for one thing...

..."You'll need a Q to beat me." (or w/e)

Most players won't mention a hand that they can't beat but that usually applies to spots where they say something like, "I'm a little worried about my kicker, u don't have KQ do u?" (It's actually more applicable when the board is paired and they say, "Oh oh, did u make a flush? I don't think u did." Then they almost always have the boat.)

I dont know.....I hate this line, so many times I make incorrect folds on the river just because the board got UGLY or an ace hit, which means he has AK then, which I am behind to anyway so IMO an Ace doesnt change anything.

He cant have spades unless its KQss, KTss or something then I am calling to spilt the pot a lot or hes free rolling me not great either. And he cant be bluffing with AXss because he wanted to bet the flop but ended up check-calling and he cant check-call with just a spade draw because that wouldnt make much sense as there is no flush draw on the flop. In other words he needs a made hand to now call after wanting to bet.

So I put him on,

KJ / KT / 44 / K4 / J4 / AK / KQ / K9 / K8

He could very easily move me off my KQ if a scare card hits or he overplays his KT thinking it was good making me fold incorrectly.

From what I am seeing here the UTG guy is taking control, if this keeps going on and everyone keeps folding then it will not end till he has all the money. On this hand I would have just held on and called him down. If UTG had 2 pair or AK I think he would have raise the flop, he read it the same as you as the guy was betting his draw and knew if he tossed a nice bet out there it would make the guy either fold or chase a bad bet. You looked like you were either on a weak K or J. He is a difficult player to play so to play that guy you need to gamble with him and he should slow down.
Also as someone else said, try not to talk it out, you are reading one guys hand as you are giving info to the rest of the table about your hand

In general, in no limit, calling is bad poker, especially with marginal made hands. One thing the turn card does change is it puts a flush draw up on the board, so his turn bet could be a semi bluff. I DO NOT like the idea of calling the turn with the intention of folding the river. This sophisticated and dangerous (to you) line, while optimal against certain opponents, is also very sub optimal against other types of opponents.

We need to ask ourselves a few questions at this point. Can our opponent pay us off with a worse hand? How likely is it he has total air or a semi bluff? And finally, and most importantly - how often are we behind here.

This hand seems to me to be very important because it is a marginal spot, a spot which occurs with great frequency, and one which it behooves us to prepare well for.

Yes he is running over the table thats only because he is flopping strong hands almost everytime he enters, like I said he has flopped the nut straight 4 times after calling preflop raises cracking sets and overpairs as well as dodging flush draws.

I only talked when it was HUs and I think villaain give away the strength of his hand as my hand was pretty much face up.

I dont want or need to gamble with him with just 1 pair. I flopped 3 stong hands already in the 5.5 hours I have been playing and have bene paid off twice almost doubling up each time (1 with Quad Aces in Omaha) I just need to flop a full house or flush to get paid it just costs money to see flops.

I agree.

So what did he call the flop with?

Neither do I which is I think raising is better.

1. Yes he could have KT here and pay me off.
2. ZERO chance he has air/bluff or semi bluff
3. I dont think we are behind, I think we are chopping with KQ, winning if he has KT, losing if he AK or KJ.

Yes it happens often, and I lose as many as I win. (by folding when I have already invested some money in the pot)

I folded OTT I wasnt willing to call him down with KQ and that was my mistake. It just looked like he had a stronger hand due to the action. I am sure that he also had KQ when the hand was over and we started talking about it, like I said before its not the turn bet I was worried about it was the amount he would bet OTR.