Hero is playing like a nit for over a 3 hour period. We are playing 9 handed.

Hero UTG: $300
MP: $300
LP: $200
BB: $250

Pre-Flop: Hero is dealt JJ
Hero first to act makes it $12, 2 folds, EP calls, MP calls, 2 folds, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 557 ($48) 4 Players
BB checks, Hero bets $35, MP folds, LP raises to $90, BB calls, Hero........?

LP could make this move with the nut flush draw. He is LAG type player,I dont think he would raise with a house or even a 5 here. I suppose he could raise with a hand like A7 to find out were he is at, same for overpairs. But I really think he has a hand like AT

BB calls so not sure what that means. He could easily call here with A7 himself to any underpair like 22-TT here as well as some flush draws.

What options do I have here? Sure I can fold, but I hate life when LP turns over a flush draw and BB turns up 87 or something stupid.

Ugh, I hate these spots. If we were heads-up with the LAG, I'd be happy to get it in here with JJ; however, the cold-call from the BB worries me a bit. What sort of read to you have on the BB? Is he the type that would check/call with a 7 or a draw for 1/3rd of his stack, or does he need to have a good hand to continue here? Is he calling with a wide range pre-flop (meaning he can have a 5 here), or is he only calling with solid cards?

In a vaccum, I probably have to fold here. Villain has committed almost half of his chips, and while I would normally move a LAG in here with an overpair, the BB behind us worries me. If he's a total fish that is capable of making this call with just a draw or a weak pair, then I'd probably move in. If he needs to have a decent hand to make this cold call, then I probably fold.

I'm never calling here either. There are a bunch of terrible turn cards that we can't profitably continue on, and our hand has almost no outs to improve. If the BB is a total fish, then I'm jamming here. If he is somewhat competent, then I'm folding (and puking when the LAG has a FD and BB has a 78 or TT).

BB has 77/75/55/possibly 5x. Bank on it. I've seen these spots many times, where there is a bet/raise/cold call and it always seems to be a monster. Fold your hand.

Yeah he has a wide range preflop and a wide calling range. I have seen BB call it down with middle pair sometimes and call with just two over cards, maybe not for $90 but has called up to $40 with AK high sometimes. Its like 60-40 that he has a 5 here IMO.

Yeah he is that type of player.

Yeah I dont like calling much here as any Heart, A, K, Q , 7 sucks for me. So its all in or fold. BB is a NOT a total fish but somewhat of a fish, he just takes his hands to far.

LOL. you got durrrr'd.

Fold. You really think BB overcalls a bet then a raise with a low pp or 87?

I'd think BB is more prone to having 88-1010 a five or a flush draw as well

If it's 60% that he does have a 5, then coupled with the fact that LP has a 5 here some of the time, then I think I have to find a fold. Our hand is unlikely to improve, and it is probable (based on your descriptions) that one of our opponents has a 5.

id fold it, unless i had a read on the guy that would make me think he could do this with f draw. can't really just flat either cuz you know hes goin all in on the turn.

laying it down is fine.

Your dream scenario is that they are both on flush draws...unlikely but possible. A cold call by the BB is pretty scary here...even if he is a bit of a fish. You don't have any fold equity either.

Like others have said...I don't mind shipping or calling with just the LP player, but with the BB cold calling, I like a fold here.

If they both turn over weak holdings, proceed to hate life and note that that the BB may be a bigger fish than you originally surmised.

I think this is an easy fold. It's highly unlikely that BB is cold calling a 3 bet without a 5.

You have three villains. If they are playing ATC, the odds that at least one of these three has a three is about 3.6 to 1.

After MP folds, and LP LAG 2-bets, and BB smooth calls, those odds change drastically (but not in your favor).

If LP really is a LAG, and you have seen him 2-bet OTF with a flush-draw, and BB is so much of a calling-station-fish that you have seen him smooth call $90 on a draw, then you can ship it.

But otherwise, you should probably fold.

Question: Why not raise to $20 PF?

I would fold this fairly quickly...even though there are a few dream scenarios where you are ahead of both players I don't think it is very often unless the BB is super stationy...also it's not like you're a huge fav the times when you are up against the nut draw and 78. pick a better spot, pretty sure calling or raising are -ev

Guessing you've never read any of the Cad's other posts.

I think he done retired anyways. Variance beat him down hard.

I thought he said that if he raised to $20, that he would still get called. I didn't know he retired. I was trying to help him with my opinion, but if he's gone, I guess I'm wasting my time.

Oh Well.

Retired=Busted=He'll be back