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04-03-2017 , 05:35 PM
V: new player at table second hand and talked about seat being bad.

H: 20s male w/ huge headphone.

Eff stack 200.

H MP raises to 10 w/ 8h8d. SB (V) and BB calls.

Pot 30
Flop 2s2h6h. Checks to H. H bets 20. SB calls. BB folds.

Pot 70. Turn Ah. V Donks 14. H calls.
Pot 98. River 5d. V bets 25. H folds.

Thoughts on my fold?

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04-03-2017 , 06:13 PM
Am raising on the flop here but can see calling if you think raising will drive out better to fold.
Turn bet is so weak, I really dont like the call here would be raising with just about anything as hero can rep a ace a lot better than villain only problem it brings the flush
River is again a really small bet, I would be calling here but not really loving it.
I can see villain showing up with 5x,66-99 enough of the times that I think this is a simple call.
Overall I feel like you are way too passive in this hand.
What are you ranging villain on the flop? 2x,5x,straight draw,flush draw?
While you have no reads this just feels like you are calling and hoping you good.
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04-03-2017 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by winadil
Am raising on the flop here but can see calling if you think raising will drive out better to fold.
Turn bet is so weak, I really dont like the call here would be raising with just about anything as hero can rep a ace a lot better than villain only problem it brings the flush
River is again a really small bet, I would be calling here but not really loving it.
I can see villain showing up with 5x,66-99 enough of the times that I think this is a simple call.
Overall I feel like you are way too passive in this hand.
What are you ranging villain on the flop? 2x,5x,straight draw,flush draw?
While you have no reads this just feels like you are calling and hoping you good.
Villain is recreational live 1/2 player. So I think raising on the turn will drive out all marginal hands and bluff and only sets boats Ax and flush will carry on. I don't think I have fold equity against these player types. The river bets being double the turn bet seemed like a weird value bet. V think since I called a little turn bet I'll also call a small river bet. You are right as me being too passive . But I'm been spewing so much at 1/2 and 2/3 lately with calls in marginal spots like these that I had to drop down in stakes. So this was my first session after rethinking my overall strategy and tending towards over folding at 1/2.

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04-03-2017 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RedJoy2003
V: new player at table second hand and talked about seat being bad.

H: 20s male w/ huge headphone.

Eff stack 200.

H MP raises to 10 w/ 8h8d. SB (V) and BB calls.

Pot 30
Flop 2s2h6h. Checks to H. H bets 20. SB calls. BB folds.

Pot 70. Turn Ah. V Donks 14. H calls.
Pot 98. River 5d. V bets 25. H folds.

Thoughts on my fold?

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I think he goes his ace, yeah. Might have to call anyway on river given the odds.
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04-03-2017 , 07:35 PM
Recreational 1/2 player in the small blind? I'm thinking he has a deuce, (probably A-2 soooooted ) a good bit of the time although other suited 2's are possible.

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04-04-2017 , 04:08 AM
Pre-flop raise and flop c-bet are both standard and well-played

On the turn, he's betting 14 into 70 and it could mean a lot of different things.
I think his range consists of A2s, 32s, 42s, 52s, a lot of random Ax combos, lots of weak flushes. There are very few bluffs in his range on the turn because this board has so few draws (34), any if he is donking with something weird like 99 or 1010, we're still losing to those combos as well.

Calling 14 into 70 to realize your equity with the 8h seems fine to me.


On the river, the only draw gets there and his range is so heavily weighted toward hands that we lose to. I dont know that the villain is particularly strong here and it could be as weak as one pair, but from the information given it doesn't seem as if he would ever fold to a raise on the river so there is no sense in turning this hand into a bluff.

Even with the great price we are getting, I just think we are beat way too often to call. I like your fold here.

Well played on all streets IMO.
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04-04-2017 , 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by aerrico26
Pre-flop raise and flop c-bet are both standard and well-played

On the turn, he's betting 14 into 70 and it could mean a lot of different things.
I think his range consists of A2s, 32s, 42s, 52s, a lot of random Ax combos, lots of weak flushes. There are very few bluffs in his range on the turn because this board has so few draws (34), any if he is donking with something weird like 99 or 1010, we're still losing to those combos as well.

Calling 14 into 70 to realize your equity with the 8h seems fine to me.


On the river, the only draw gets there and his range is so heavily weighted toward hands that we lose to. I dont know that the villain is particularly strong here and it could be as weak as one pair, but from the information given it doesn't seem as if he would ever fold to a raise on the river so there is no sense in turning this hand into a bluff.

Even with the great price we are getting, I just think we are beat way too often to call. I like your fold here.

Well played on all streets IMO.
Thank you for the detailed explanation. Helped a lot. :-)

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04-04-2017 , 04:38 AM
good fold IMO. NH.
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04-04-2017 , 04:46 AM
Sorry though you check/call the flop not cbet
Preflop and cbet are good, the turn donk bet is pretty strange. No point raising here as everything you beat will fold and just about everything got there but at this price I dont think you can be folding just yet as I feel this could be a blocker bet.
River bet you are getting a great pricetoo call but you dont really beat much but at 5-1 I really dont know if I could be folding here

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04-04-2017 , 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by winadil
Sorry though you check/call the flop not cbet
Preflop and cbet are good, the turn donk bet is pretty strange. No point raising here as everything you beat will fold and just about everything got there but at this price I dont think you can be folding just yet as I feel this could be a blocker bet.
River bet you are getting a great pricetoo call but you dont really beat much but at 5-1 I really dont know if I could be folding here

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In theory you should be calling to that price on the river bet. But at these stakes no one is ranging or playing even close to a balanced game. So we have play an exploitative strategy I believe. This includes even folding to a super tiny river bet at time at 1/2 live.

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04-04-2017 , 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by RedJoy2003
In theory you should be calling to that price on the river bet. But at these stakes no one is ranging or playing even close to a balanced game. So we have play an exploitative strategy I believe. This includes even folding to a super tiny river bet at time at 1/2 live.

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also low limit live players dont understand pot rations and **** so a 25 bet isnt a 1/4 PSB but rather a moderate sized bet for the stakes.
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