Live 1/2, hero, effective stacks 410, 6 handed, straddle for 5 in play.

Folds to hero in the cutoff who limps with 99, can probably raise but the button has been raising the button pretty wide. Plan was to 3 bet if he raises. Not 100% of that mentality, but I’m going with it as the recreational player I am.

Button raises to 15, SB and UTG+1 calls, I 3 bet to 85, only the button calls.

Flop(200) comes 7d5d3s. with the button having a wide range, I end up leading for 105, button jams for 310.

Hero ??? I'm thinking KK and AA, maybe even QQ is out based on him not 4-betting preflop.

Welcome to the forum, OP. I deleted your last action, as it tends to bias advice. Please wait at least a day before you post it and any results of the hand.

We need more info on the button than "been raising the button pretty wide" in order to give good advice on this hand. Has anyone 3-bet him before and how did he react? How has he been playing post flop? What hands has he shown down? What range do you put him on for the raise/call? What range do you think he puts you on for limp/re-raising?

Button is relatively new to the table but is a bit of a maniac. So far, he has gone all in twice. Once on a four to a straight as of the turn, and once on a paired flop. So far, no one has 3 bet him on the button and he has shown a 9s7s and Q10o so far both being played from middle position.

As far as his range goes after him calling the 3 bet. 77-AA, AK-AJs,AKo,KQs,QJs, J10s. Last two might be a stretch.

Not sure if he puts me on a range, but if he did, it would be AA-88,Ak-AJs, AKo,KQ-KJs,QJs.

Let's start here.

First you can't range him. As you have never seen him in 3 bet pot. Although the range given is good starting point.

Second, he can't range you. And range you suggest for him is awful. If your limp reraising half those hands. I would consider you a poor player.

From CO just open your standard range and see how he reacts. 99 is easy open and turning it into limp raise as your standard defense for loose aggro player is poor idea. Being OOP in 3 bets is recipe for disaster.

Yeah, I agree on the ranges. Just putting him on a generalized range based on the information I had.

For the limp-re raising hands. These are the hands I think he thinks I have, not the hands I’m limp re raising.


To your last point, why is it a bad idea to limp re raise a loose aggro? Only thing I could think of is it narrows his range. I open most times with 99 but assuming the button raise, I thought it was a good idea for this player type.

Mikko is correct under some circumstances, however, I strongly disagree with him.

“Beinng OOP in 3-bet pots is a recipe for disaster” makes no sense at all as a general statement. If villain is raising too many hands on the BU, a l/rr either forces villain to fold too much of his range, allowing us to profit automatically, or more likely defend a range which we are comfortably ahead of. We also benefit from capturing dead money from other players after they call BUs raise and fold to us.

I am l/rr all day against a maniac and loving it when he calls. My only problem is that OP doesn’t make it so clear he is a maniac. Raising QTo/97s from MP is not too far out of line, in fact I do it sometimes. That said, if you have a live read that he is this type of player, I’d play it this way. Today I actually l/rr KTs against someone I only had three hands against. Sometime you just know.

As played I’m calling quickly.

Being OOP in 3 bets pots is generally not a good outcome. OOP we are at major disadvantage. Prefer to play smaller pots OOP and larger ones in position.

Our villain is going to be able to play postflop fairly easily. Realize his equity easily and have easier time winning pot unimproved. He is also going to be able to get value more easily and have more bluffing opportunities.

L/RR is fine. Not sure I want to play AJ and 99 in that manner. As 99 is fairly tough to play postflop.

If you want to play small pots OOP then why not limp and hope no one raises?

Most of us would have just raised the first time, but I give you credit for spunk.

With a flop SPR of 2 and all undercards, I hope you snap-called the jam.

Agree with this. I would probably raise pre but I play in nitty games. As played I feel not raising gives us less info on opponents hand slightly bc if he 4 bets, he can have monsters. I feel I’m always calling here against an aggro player. I assume you lost a gross pot to 2pair, overpair, flush draw/ straight draw type hand.

Results of the hand
I call, villain flips over AsKd and I hold

Not sure why you quoted my post. The question was a bit sarcastic, intending to point out that we should limp/3-bet maniacs instead of open-raising for the exact same reasons we should open-raise instead of limp in normal lineups.

I'm still not convinced he's a maniac instead of just a Lag, but nice hand and glad you called.

Honestly, I’m new to 2+2 posting... I thought I updated my original post. I’m on mobile as well which doesn’t make it any easier.