6 handed

We open KsQc UTG 20$~~we have table covered
HJ ~ 1200 effective(only other good player at the table) calls
Cutoff~~1100 effective (rec that gets distracted by big pots) calls
Button~~1200 effective (active rec) calls
Sb~~1200 effective (tight older rec) calls
Bb~~500 effective (worst player at the table) calls

6 ways (120$) flop
Jd10d6h

Checked to cutoff who makes it 50
Button makes it 150
Sb calls
Bb folds
We call
HJ folds
Cutoff calls

4 ways to Turn (720$)

Ah (lol)

On flop I had a plan to just jam if I hit given the ~ 1.4-1spr and multi-way dynamic and player dynamic. Really wanted to put sets, 2pair, and pair plus flush draw in a tough spot.....I went through with my plan and jammed. Want to know what you guys think. I feel like checking and risking another free card coming 4 ways canÂ’t be great given the ranges. Headsup IÂ’m obviously checking, 3 ways IÂ’m probably checking, but given so many players I felt like the 1.4x pot jam can still get calls and I can balance with some sort of pair with the Kd/Qd and with K9dd/Q9dd/89dd as a bluff

I'm not sure I open KQo UTG if I'm going to get called by five players -- or I go to at least $25 or enough to cut down callers. I mean, you are deep and easily dominated and going to be OOP. Is there little/no 3betting? Six-handed might make up for it, but it's close.

I guess check/calling flop is OK, but we really have only six clean outs. I might just let it go, especially if CO might re-raise BTN. Turn jam is fine, but might not be necessary. Just bet a normal amount (on the large size to make diamonds pay) to get them to come along. I guess it depends on reads and how station-y they are.

What live games are people making serious deviations in their flat calling ranges to 5x vs 4x? Seems like we are just spewing.

This is near the bottom of my 3x open range UTG and I’d likely fold it in a 4x open range.

Flop is questionable for obvious reasons. Drawing with questionable implied odds and dirty outs.

Turn is a really good card for our range and really bad for theirs. So I think we need to have leads. It’s an awkward stack size because I want to be betting more than half pot. But at the same time, I’d assume that they’d play well against a larger bet size. So I’m talking myself into a half pot bet. It’s either that or jam.

The problem with your bluff range is that I’d assume a draw as strong as 98dd/K9dd/etc would just bet the flop itself, so it’s hard to give you credit for a bluff when you jam. But against bad live players, it might not matter


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Yeah i agree the turn bluff range i came up with has problems because its the most obvious bluffs i would use on flop, especially if i decline to use specific hand we have here on flop. Obviously in theory we want to have flop bluffs even though fold equity goes down multiway, but the fold equity is almost non existent when betting into 5 players, just shows how weird these multi way spots can get with more than 3 players.

I think you're right about arriving at a half pot decision. My thought process was the same that ideally i wanted 60-70% pot but spr didnt really allow for that, at the same time I was worried about betting half pot and then river is an unfavorable card and now we have 700 behind with a pot anywhere between 1.5k or 2.7k... lol i didnt wanna set myself up for a situation of maybe having to check and face a 4 to 1 decision on river. Overall theoretically your half pot suggestion is probably best IMO, just gotta go with it and not be scared to deal with tough river decisions.

1.5k or 2.2k***

For sure. Hence why solvers often use small sizes and only high equity bluffs like a 98dd. Then it doesn’t have to work all that often to be better than Checking. This hand COULD be bet, since we do have two overs and an open ended (a king or queen could give us a winner, too), but I definitely think checking is the more normal play.

I’m not totally sold on half pot. I think it’s better in that someone thinking logically would still be forced to continue with a lot of hands in bad shape against us, while a jam basically lets anything but sets and maybe AdXd off the hook. But if our opponents are incapable of folding JT/AT despite the fact that you’re basically repping AJ/AA/KQ and not much in the way of a bluff, then go ahead and jam


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In case you were interested, cutoff ended up calling with AJ (which i think is a whole other conversation in itself), button and sb folded. river blank so we scooped but i haven't stopped thinking about the hand since then lol

Clearly we had Mike postle vision in this hand because we played it perfect against the guy with AJ. Haha


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Good outcome, but you should wait 24 hours to post results if you want more feedback.

you right

Opening KQo utg...? Bleh. Chasing a bad OESD multiway to a bet AND a raise, not closing the action? Double bleh. Binking turn anyway and boxing your way out of bad decisions? Priceless.

I actually don’t think result posting is bad anymore. Like posters aren’t as results oriented as they were 10-15 years ago when posting results was deemed no good. At this point I’m just as interested, if not more interested, in what people show up with when they do their goofy live player crap


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Flop is a trivial fold. Even if it were only 50 I think we prefer fold.

I don't mind leading $200-300 on turn - overbet against deepstacked CO is spew.

*LJ and standard

idk if this is a troll or not...by "even if it were only 50 i think we prefer fold" are you saying if button just flatted instead of raised? so if button and sb just flat the cutoff bet you are folding 5.4-1 with 6 outs and 200bb behind? even if button and sb fold we are getting 3.4-1 with 6pure outs and 200 bb behind.... still a no brainer call IMO. Obviously im biased since its my hand but cmon bruh implied odds are very much a thing. i get it we are out of position but literally when you hit vs a bad player its just the Philadelphia mint situation

^^^this... obviously im biased but cmon KQoff is a no brainer open in 6 max, especially at a table with multiple recs.

If btn and sb flatted sure go ahead and call.

If 1 player bet 50, no one else called, and there are players left to act we might fold.

There are genuine reverse implied odds for this hand with the flush draw out there, and opponents often holding ax and 9x in hand blocking nut outs. It's ok to make a tightish fold on this flop, especially from a relatively bad position.

I'm alil surprised at all the fold pre comments in a 6 handed game against all rec's except for the CO who we have a great hand to 4bet bluff with (our perceived range is fire) vs his light 3bets.

Otf we're just chasing (hoping and praying our 30% or w/e equity hits). It's fine to fold a draw otf with that kinda action.

I'm fine with the jam. Spr is getting low and players seem to be in love with their hands.

OP said opened UTG.

Yeah but UTG 6 handed

I agree about posting results (love reading them), but if anyone wants good unbiased feedback, they should wait 24 hours or for at least more than two or three posters to reply.

If no one else calls only HJ is left to act and he already checked once when he had a chance to bet. Vs. one player K/Q could easily be outs and our Ah/9h aren't dirty very often either unless multiway.

There's no reason to think anyone else holds 9x so no reason to discount that. Maybe you're right about Ax but the effect probably isn't even worth a quarter of an out.

Even if we literally only put more money in if we hit the nuts it's a trivial call vs. $50 considering stack depth. Folding is tremendously bad.