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Line Check - Turn Double Barrel. Hero Makes Hand. V Open Shoves River. Line Check - Turn Double Barrel. Hero Makes Hand. V Open Shoves River.

01-05-2015 , 05:54 PM
V is 70 y/o black guy. He's not an OMC. Been playing with him for about two hours when this hand took place. He's loose pre-flop, limping hands like K8s UTG and QTo from MP. He's very aggressive both pre and post on the button (he had raised close to 100% of buttons), but hasn't shown down any hands from that position. Has shown a tendency to be sticky on flops, but fold to turn bets. If the turn is checked through, he's calling the river with any pair (saying "I just didn't believe you had anything").

We played one hand together. UTG raised pre. Hero 3-bet with AK in LP. V cold called the 3-bet in the small blind with AQo. Board of non-connected, non-suited low cards got checked down.

$230 effective stacks

Pre-flop
Hero raises to $15 with AQ from HJ
V calls in the small blind

Flop $30
JT4
Hero bets $25
V calls

Turn $80
6
V checks
Hero bets $60
V calls

River $200
K
V open shoves for $130
Hero calls.

Thoughts?

Last edited by jesse123; 01-05-2015 at 06:02 PM.
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01-05-2015 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jesse123
V is 70 y/o black guy. He's not an OMC. Been playing with him for about two hours when this hand took place. He's loose pre-flop, limping hands like K8s UTG and QTo from MP. He's very aggressive both pre and post on the button (he had raised close to 100% of buttons), but hasn't shown any hands down from that position. Has shown a tendency to be sticky on flops, but fold to turn bets. If the turn is checked through, he's calling the river with any pair (saying "I just didn't believe you had anything").

We played one hand together. UTG raised pre. Hero 3-bet with AK in LP. V cold called the 3-bet in the small blind with AQo. Board of all undercards got checked down.

$230 effective stacks

Pre-flop
Hero raises to $15 with AQ from HJ
V calls in the small blind

Flop $30
JT4
Hero bets $25
V calls

Turn $80
6
V checks
Hero bets $60
V calls

River $200
K
V open shoves for $130
Hero calls.

Thoughts?
I think with a player like this I would Polly check back the turn even tho you said he folds turns, but the board hasn't changed at all and u will blow yourself off of your equity if he jams turn. You have good show down value too against kq,89 where he my just check river. Also, I would call river I mean only hands your afraid of are qj hh 89 q9 hh. He could easily have 2 pair and be jamming. Also could have q9. What was your plan for the river after betting the turn? If a blank hits?
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01-05-2015 , 06:09 PM
If you have a strong read that he will call flop with middle pair and fold the turn to another barrel, the I like the turn bet, especially if your A and Q are possibly live outs. Against an unknown, I would check the turn.

Do we have any reads on his river aggression? Particularly as it relates to thin value betting? i.e. Could he have binked top two pair on the river and shove for value?

The only flushes in his range are exactly QJ hearts, Q9 hearts, 89hh and maybe 78hh

Very few people will slowplay a big hand all the way through the river... So the river helped him in some way. There are more combos of AQ and non-heart Q9 than hands that beat you, which makes river a call. If you think he ever does this with KJ, then it's an easy call.

Edit: I just realized we have position. Regardless of turn barrel reads, I would take the free card on the turn.

Last edited by HH2010; 01-05-2015 at 06:18 PM.
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01-05-2015 , 06:11 PM
No reason to bet more than 20 on the flop - if V has a draw he coming along anyway.

Not a good spot to barrel turn - your equity went down a lot.

Your description on V's behavior does NOT include a repeated history of dumb bluffs, and on the river V will show down a flush at least 3 times out of 4 - and you need to win 28% of the times to break even on a call.

If you folded and V showed two random cards that's just part of the game, and it doesn't make a call profitable.
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01-05-2015 , 06:32 PM
Although I'm usually not betting this turn, I will trust your read that he folds in this spot enough. OTR I'm expecting to see enough two pair/trips(less likely)/Q-9 to make this call profitable.
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01-05-2015 , 07:43 PM
Looks well played to me. Would bet smaller on flop though to allow more manuverability on turn and river.
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01-05-2015 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by McMelchior
No reason to bet more than 20 on the flop - if V has a draw he coming along anyway.

Not a good spot to barrel turn - your equity went down a lot.

Your description on V's behavior does NOT include a repeated history of dumb bluffs, and on the river V will show down a flush at least 3 times out of 4 - and you need to win 28% of the times to break even on a call.

If you folded and V showed two random cards that's just part of the game, and it doesn't make a call profitable.
A flush 3 times out of 4, I really don't think it's that high. Id have a really hard time folding here.
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01-05-2015 , 08:45 PM
I'm not a big fan of the turn bet, once he calls flop bet on that board, I would peg him as the "I put you on AK" type of player and thus I'd check back turn hoping to bink on river.

As played though, don't see how we can fold to a PSB when we river the straight and beat all other straights and 2p combos.

We have the A as a blocker so if V did back into a flush it would have to be J9 or QJ or 98 which basically is a very narrow range of flushes.

So V's range for this river shove should be: KQ, Q9, KJ, QJ, J9, J8, 98 and possibly JT as well (though he would probably c/r turn with this hand and any sets which is why I didn't include any sets in his range) so I'm perfectly fine calling a less than PSB shove on this river.
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01-05-2015 , 10:18 PM
Agree with dgi - I also dislike turn bet and am calling river BC we have Ah which removes a lot of flush combos
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01-05-2015 , 10:59 PM
flop bet is a little big vs this non believer and i won't fire a second barrel unless i have very good equity for we will be x/f a lot of rivers. don't be afraid to x/f turn on this board.

ap, im calling... specially we have Ah and it's a backdoor flush.
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