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Line check... river spot at 1/2 in 3 bet pot. Line check... river spot at 1/2 in 3 bet pot.

12-31-2018 , 12:50 PM
Local 1-2 game. Casino is running a new years multiplier promo that is going to fill the room and get action started very early in the morning. Hero arrives at the poker room early and finds 2 overnight tables running. One 2/5 and the other 1/2.

More tables get going as the crowd arrives and I request a table change to the overnight 1/2 table as there are deeper stacks and I presume the players are going to likely be tired playing all night, creating a more profitable situation for myself....

I get moved to the new table, play my normal style get some action on my AA and a few other hands and run up my stack to around 1200$ covering the table.

Action starts in the the hand with 3 limpers, I'm on the button (1200$) with AK I raise to 15$.

V1(1000$) in SB 3bets to 55$
V1 is a young 20ish WG, and seems to be a solid thinking playing. He has 3bet me several times this session already ( been playing for 6 hours.) One hand he had KdJd. Also 3bet with AQo in one hand. Also have played with this villain in previous session, he 3bet me with 67dd and hit a fullhouse on the river. So this villain has an actual 3bet range. Not the typical KK+ 3bet range from the normal rec 1/2 crowd. V1 also has been playing since the day before and its going on 13+ hour session. He previous complained about being "up and down" all night and is slightly up now...

One of limper(300$) flats the 55$ 3 bet. Limper is a older WG fishy rec. Calls with all sorts of garbage.... it folds back to me. I had considered putting in the 4bet against V1. The earlier 3bets I tended to have toward the bottom of my range when he raised me so I was having to fold most of the time. I decide to just flat the 55$ and take a flop in position with a great hand with the extra player in the pot...

Flop(150$) Comes 1098
Excellent flop! Flop hits calling ranges much harder than an EP 3 bet range but considering that V1 can 3bet light he can hit this board as well but its obviously favoring the callers here I feel.

V1 bets 75$. limper folds. I flat the 75$. I see no reason to raise here, I have good equity against his range here. Flatting keeps his bluffs in. I feel like raising here is going to fold out his bluffs or make us both get stacks committed, I decide to just try and realize my equity.

Turn (300$) comes Qc... V1 checks.
Now I pick up a gutter to go along with my NFD. His check leads me to start thinking its possible he has more air and had just Cbet the flop. I have considerable equity if called so I decide to bet and try to take pot down down. I bet 175$. V1 calls.

River (600$) comes Qs. V1 checks again.

I find myself on the river here having missed and most likely not good here at all. I have a hard time thinking he super strong here. He has about 700$ and I know the only way to take this pot down is to bluff at it. I tend to believe he wouldnt let a strong hand risk getting checked back so his 2 checks does indicate weakness IMO, also his "up and down and back to even" lead me to think he might not want to risk his entire stack here.

I tank for a good 30 seconds... entire table got quiet and is focused on this pot, its by far the largest pot of the day at this table by far.....I shove all in for his remaining stack.
This bet represents very strong hands which I can feasibly hold. KJs,1010,JJ(would i bet betting AI in non-nut straight?) I could possibly even have 99 and 88 here with the pot odds 3 way and stack depth preflop.

How were my actions in this hand. Flatting pre and flop? betting turn?AI on river?
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12-31-2018 , 01:27 PM
The question is do you flat your sets on this flop? Im inclined to think you would be raising those hands just due to how many bad turn cards there are. Only think that I think makes sense with this line is Jx, KJ and QT to which the Jx and QT might be ambitious.

I think turn is a clear check back, as your hand has some sdv, a good amount of equity, and really cant any worse hands to call.

This line kind of looks FOS if you ask me. Wouldnt you bet smaller with Jx? I just think that so many of the nutted hands you can have here are raising the flop that it is hard for you to have too many of them when you flat the flop.
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12-31-2018 , 01:37 PM
Actions are fine. Your thought process is off a bit.

Why do you want to keep his bluffs in on flop? Most those bluffs have outs, and he is unlikely to keep bluffing on board like this.

Calling is fine on flop. But your reason for doing so doesn't make much sense.

Turn looks like button clicking. I can't come up with hand he will fold to this sizing besides 67s Axs. Which we don't need to fold out. Anyone help me out? What hands that beat us are folding? Anyhands we need to deny equity to?

Biggest reason to bet turn, is likely to bluff river. Not a spot I love, because I can't define his range well. No reads how sticky or light he will call.

One thing we have going for us. This is probably only combo we have to use as bluff. Few other Ax combos.

Granted I think he is usually capped here. Had he filled up I think he may have lead river a good portion of time.

We can still have 100% of full house combos. So it will not be an easy call for villain.
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12-31-2018 , 02:28 PM
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it folds back to me. I had considered putting in the 4bet against V1. The earlier 3bets I tended to have toward the bottom of my range when he raised me so I was having to fold most of the time. I decide to just flat the 55$ and take a flop in position with a great hand with the extra player in the pot...
This is a critical inflection point and should not be overlooked imo; I think this is a great spot to 4!; you go into detail explaining the width of V1's 3! range and then proceed to play the hand passively pre-flop; We do not want to go multiway with AKs here, very fortunate to pick up a monster OTB, your button opening range will naturally be wider than your opening range from any other position, so V1 will be 3!'ing you wider than usual had you been in a different position;


If this was your typical QQ+/AK 3! range from most 1/2 players then I am absolutely fine with the flat ; but given the circumstances this seems like a slam dunk 4!
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12-31-2018 , 02:44 PM
There are several math errors all along the post. In my experience, this lack of attention to detail when posting the hand tends to carry over to the actual poker itself, and shows a lack of focus while playing (could be because of the amount of hours played at time of session..who knows). I'll let you conclude what you want to from that observation.

OTTH

I think this is a clear 4-bet PF all day once limper flats the $55. When you open the button, your range is so wide that you will often get 3 bet wider, especially form good players out of the blinds. Hands like AQ, AJ, TT, 99, etc are all likely to 3 bet from the blinds at this stack depth against a BB open, but you put those hands in a massively tough (and unprofitable spot) when 4 betting the button. Hands like AA - QQ are obviously 4 bet candidates, to balance out your 4 betting range a hand like AKs is for sure a hand to 4-bet in this spot.

On the flop: I like your decision to flat here. Raising would just bloat the pot in a spot where you are very likely to be behind if he calls. Also gives him the ability to 3 bet/jam and you'll have to call off massively behind or even worse fold a hand that has massive equity.
FWIW, I'd be more inclined to raise if there was no made straight possible. But there is a strong chance that only your FD outs are good and as such I'd rather just take the equity in position.

My read on the hands from the skies. when you flat call the flop, you'd appear to either be pot controlling with a marginal hand or drawing and your opponent that lead is most likely to have a stronger hand. Hands that would be pot controlling here include AA/KK/QQ/JJ/JXs/QXs. Since you didn't 4 bet preflop, i think we can take out AA/KK. Since you didn't raise the flop, I think we can take out all sets as well. This board is waaaaay to wet to be flatting a flopped set.

Your hand range looks like a flush draw, pair+SD, or QQ, and heavily waited towards the first 2 as QQ is probably 4 betting more often than flatting.

You'r opponents range while in theory is uncapped, weights itself towards being more on the made variety considering what you have in your hand. Against a button open and 3-betting out of the SB, Villian has a range consisting of AA-99, AK - ATs + A2 - A5s, KQs-KJs, QJS, rando

I think most of his A2-A5 hands most likely are not c-betting a board so connected, especially since he can not have the flush draw. A solid thinking player (as you have described) is probably going to check/call AA and KK OTF in order to pot control in the SB. QQ/JJ are still probably going to bet given that they have either a gutshot or open ended SD. All of his sets are for sure betting. He's continuing with any hand that carries a jack, with the exception of AJ. AJ is 50/50 whether he c-bets or checks. He's probably check calling with hands that have a gut shot (AQ/KQ)

Based on him leading, I'd range him on QQ-99, KJ/QJ/JT


Turn T98Qddhc pot of at least $320

opponent continues all of his hands that improve to a straight. When he checks, I am discounting all of those hands. I'm ranging him at QQ, TT, & 99 at this point

This card hits your flatting range well when you flat call the flop. I like turning your hand into a bluff at this point. I DO NOT LIKE YOUR SIZING of $175 (54% pot). If you had the straight here, you would be sizing bigger (or should be) in order to get stacks in on the river. You should also do that when you are bluffing. I think you should be betting a bare minimum of $210 (roughly 2/3 pot). I'm probably going at least 75% pot, or $240. If you bet $240 and get a call, then the pot will be roughly $800 with $630 behind effective.

my plan after betting $240 and getting called would be to shove every river that does not pair the board, as by this time you are strongly weighted towards sets.

I wouldn't hate a check on the turn in order to realize equity for free, but this hand is a good bluff candidate as played.

River pairs the Queen

V Checks... I don't think that he is leading any rivers here, even hands that improve to a boat. I think his decision is going to depend on what you do and on unpaired rivers I think he is massively hoping for a check. On paired rivers, i think he just is stone nutted with full house at bottom of his range.

If I am Hero, I am sticking with the plan and checking this river. Super bad river to bluff IMO. If you had a straight, I don't think you'd shove this river and I don't think you would play a flopped set in this manner. You block all the FD candidates at this point too, which is reason this hand turns into a bad river bluff candidate when the board pairs.

That's my read and analysis on the hand. Looking forward to results
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12-31-2018 , 05:57 PM
Thanks for the input. I will continue to take time and study this hand.
Villain tanked for a good while and eventually folded. I could tell visibly he wanted to call. He went on to get seemingly a little tilted and changed tables a little later and the before leaving he commented he has a Q. So AQ is my guess. Maybe KQ ?
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12-31-2018 , 06:03 PM
I guarantee he didn't have QT as he'd have snap called your ass haha.

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12-31-2018 , 06:07 PM
Does reiterate why 4 betting PF is a good play, though. Your opponent is 3betting you with a hand that you dominate. You should be 4-betting this hand to get more money in PF against a 3-betting range that you're ahead of and to hopefully isolate against 1 of the two players.

You were fortunate to flop a FD, but if it comes T98r, you fold the flop to hand that you're crushing.

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12-31-2018 , 08:48 PM
good bluff man , I thought you got snapped off lol happy it got through for ya
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12-31-2018 , 09:35 PM
I stopped reading after you flatted preflop. Fix your preflop leaks before we can even consider postflop.
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