Line check: raise or call river?
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Hero: New to table, only won one hand so far, big check raise on flop vs 2 players , won without showdown. Young quiet.
Villain: headphones 25ish, seems like a grinder watching him play and makes decent decisions.
1/3
Eff stacks are 400
One limp, I raise to 12 w black 66 on btw. V in sb, bb and limper call.
Flop AsKd5s
Checked around
Against 3, don't see much value in cbet here
Turn 6s
Checked to hero, bet 20, villain snaps.
Great turn for me, easy to get a call from aces and jacks, maybe nines, etc.
River Qd
Villain pauses 20sec and bets 40. Looks like a value bet to Me. I'm thinking KQ, AQ something like that. I raise to 100, I do this bc it looks like a rebluff and I figure alot of those twppair and lower set will just sigh-call. He snaps and shows 7d8d.
Thoughts? Flatting with a set just feels too weak there, and he's a thinking player so I felt good about the raise.
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Last edited by TobiasReiper; 06-05-2014 at 02:48 AM.
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30+ on turn.
River, how is that KT? How is KT a value bet.
His hand is so big he has to go for value in spite of the potential flush out there. It looks more like a str8 or a flush to me. If villain is one of the blinds it could be QQ with a spade.
I think your hand history is screwed up. It looks like he called your river raise with 8 high.
Edit, I guess the turn must be a 6 of diamonds as you have 2 black 6's. disregard my post.
Last edited by RED FACE; 06-05-2014 at 02:40 AM.
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Red face, sorry meant aq not kt. He called turn with straight flush draw
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OP is still screwed up turn is 6 of diamonds. He might check AQ on flop but not turn. Not likely checking KQ on turn either.
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Yes yes you are right. The turn and river were diamonds so was the 5 my bad
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Well given you checked back flop but then bet turn when the diamond draw hit you can easily have the flush so I think villain will often get away from 2 pairs.
Also except KQ I am really struggling to see any 2 pair or set combos in his range. Would he check flop, check/call turn with A5 and then lead it on river when a flush hits? Think his river range is pretty much (flushes, KQ, bluffs)
I agree that flatting feels really nitty and its embarrassing when he flips KQ confidently and we have to show the set but I think it is correct.
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Awesome thanks for the comments. After some thought, I agree with the ranging part. A call feels bad but I guess it's right for the most part.
One problem I know I have is going for additional value on rivers(and turns).I know the best place to make money in low stakes is fat value, I just constantly feel like I'm calling too much on rivers and even turns. when I should be raising with a decent amount of my range... I just can't figure out the exact percentage of my calling range I should be bumping it up
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Either raise bigger or overlimp. A $12 raise at 1/3 (even on the Button vs one limper) just has too good a chance at not getting the job done (i.e. narrow the field to HU or 3way at worse).
I would also check back the flop.
I would have potted the turn. We most likely have the best hand when it is checked to us and we can get paid off by a bunch of worse hands / draws, so let's go for max value here. We're also deep enough where we can call a raise.
I think I'm ok with the river raise. The bet looks a little like a blocking bet being < 1/2 PSB with a mediocre hand. I'm fine with the raise size, we're basically just trying to milk Ax / two pair hands that are going to have a tough time folding, and there are those types of hands here (although, admittedly, JT is also here and they probably won't fold either). If we're re-raised we can easily fold as no one 3bets the river without a nuttish hand.
ETA: I'm confused with HH / results. I'm assuming the 3-to-a-flush came in on the turn, and it just seems unlikely villain has it since he checked the turn (with no guarantee anyone is going to bet the turn given the flop checked thru), plus he only called a weak bet on the turn (where most flushes will raise at this point). If the flush actually came in on the river then I think there is more of an argument for just calling the bet (although I don't think raise/folding is horrible either).
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