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12-11-2014 , 12:09 AM
Game is 5 handed 1/2 NL with a $5 button straddle. Table is mostly loose passive but villian in more tight passive then others. V is to direct left of hero. Hero has been pretty agro winning with lots of cbetting and even double barreling with success. Hero has about $400 and V has him covered.

In this hand the button straddled to $5. SB folds, BB calls and Hero makes a little raise to $10 with QdJd. V calls, button calls and BB calls.

Flop = 7d3d10h
Checks to hero.
Hero bets $25
V calls $25
Everyone else folds.

Turn = 8h

Hero bets $25
V calls

River = Qh

Hero checks
V bets $25

Preflop I know I could fold or make a bigger bet. I'm not really sure. I was running pretty well in this session and really felt confident so I don't think folding pre makes sense. Plus I have position on some major fish.

On the flop I feel like a bet is ok with a flush draw and overs and when V calls I put him on a 10 with a decent kicker.

On the turn, I decided to bet mainly to control the pot size and because I still have good equity. If I check and V bets something like $50, I don't like my spot. I think betting smaller here prevents that and saves me some money.

On the river, I'm not sure what to do. I feel like I have good showdown value. But when V bets and I really can't see folding.

This was an interesting hand to me because I really didn't know if my line was optimal. I am assuming V has most likely has a hand like K10, A10, maybe J10 and maybe Q10. But on the river, what is he betting since he is kind of a tightish straighforward player? Only Q10? Is this just a pay him off sort of situation?
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12-11-2014 , 12:38 AM
Line is fine until turn. Turn "same bet" is SARS, even against a TP V. At least make it bigger than the last (or take the free card). Tiny bets for protection against a bigger bet will get you in trouble more often than not, either bloating the pot unnecessarily or getting you raised off your equity.

River call is obv. Never raising with TPGK, and never folding it getting over 6.5-1 on your money. You really don't think that he can have just a T here at least 13% of the time?
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12-11-2014 , 01:01 PM
Why exactly are we min-raising pre instead of just limping along?

Not a huge fan of the c-bet. Yeah I know, two overs and a flush draw, but 4-handed at a passive table we are pretty much never getting a fold here. If we get called our J or Q may not even be outs. I think I'd check/call flop and re-eval turn.

As played turn sizing too small, as played call.
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12-11-2014 , 01:17 PM
Pretty much status quo here ..

Not sure why you bump PF, but when you are running good this can gain you some implied FE on later streets. "Why not?", he says while still stacking chips from the last hand!!

Flop c-bet is fine. You raised, you c-bet .. Although I agree this may not be the best table to do this with you bet into a board that very well could have prompted a min-raise type bet PF. Play your current image at the table .. no problem.

Dont like Turn bet ... 8h is not a huge scare card, but it connects with the board and .. remember .. you c-bet this board. Why show weakness that might prompt someone to think you have air (you do have air you know?)!! It does allow for a 2nd flush draw as well .. bet $35 min, probably $40. Did you notice that it also gave you 2 outs to the ultimate money card .. offsuit 9 ... !! You have added equity/outs and shown weakness .. What are you going to do with a raise here? A larger bet may avoid a raise since it doesnt look as weak.

AP ... Calling all day .. yes, you do get that sick feeling. But its pretty cheap and you dont have to show if you are beat. GL
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12-11-2014 , 02:12 PM
Don't like min raise pre. I would make it $15+ hoping to get heads ups. Or flat and play multi-day pot.

Flop I like the cbet.

Am checking turn. Hoping for free card. Calling most non pot size bets.

River is snap call. No value in raising. No way I am ever folding.


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12-11-2014 , 02:42 PM
5 handed I raise PF for more than a min-raise.

I'm fine with the c-bet, we have good equity so it works both as a value bet and a bluff, getting A or K-high to fold.

OTT, I'm tempted to c/r big. What do we think of that line?

As played, call river.
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12-11-2014 , 03:25 PM
Thanks everyone. I totally realize I was being goofy with my min raise pre. Just more of a pot builder more than anything. Most everyone tells me the turn was my biggest mistake, but I am sure he is still calling $40 on the turn with A10,K10 etc. And he is not the type to raise the turn unless he has a pretty nutty hand. But at least it was the only hand I lost all day!
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