1/3 300 max bet

I just got moved to this table on a Saturday night which has some deeper stacks. My first orbit at the table

V2 - UTG (covers) - 50s WG with decent stack
V1 - UTG +2(150) - 40s AG this is a tight passive reg who I have played a lot with he does things like rarely raise preflop, and limp reraise his big pockets but he actually limps a tighter range as well
V3 - BB (covers) 50s WG with decent stack
Hero - HJ (450) Young 20s White guy

OTTH

V2 15, V1 calls I call with AJ, V3 calls

I considered 3betting here but opted to flat because V2 is an unknown opening from UTG. I think this is the absolute top of my flatting range and I would be 3betting AQs. Does V1 flat make me more likely to 3bet or more likely to flat?

Flop:
456 (60) V3 x V2 20 V1 c H c V3 c

Another decision point where I wasn't sure. Arguments for calling are we are getting direct odds to draw to our nut flush and we can use our position to ensure two bets get in if the flush does come in.

Arguments for raising are that this is probably a weak sizing from V2 and we can leverage fold equity to win with Ace high. I got gun shy because for a time I was semi bluffing like all flush and straight draws and feeling like people don't fold enough at 1/3 so we should just exploitatively lean value with our raises. Thoughts?

Also how do you decide whether to raise or just call with your draws i.e. how would you play JT or 67 here?

Turn 3 (140)

V3 x V2 x V1 75 hero?

He only has like 40 behind is he ever betting 88-JJ on the turn?

1. There is nothing wrong with calling a utg raiser, especially if you are unfamiliar with his raising range. Yes, you'd like to get heads up, but you don't want to be raised off a hand that plays well post flop. Plus, if you raise and one person calls, probably everyone calls, so you've made the pot bigger for no reason.

I might raise here with AQo because big unsuited hands do not want big pots or multiway.

2. I'm calling the flop because this board hits all the callers' ranges, and you probably have little fold equity against 3 opponents.

I would raise JThh because you have no sdv.

3. I would call turn because i want more money in the pot from over callers.

The bet on the turn is either a bluff or a straight. I don't think he's every betting an overpair here. 77 fits pretty well. Maybe it's a set, since he has redraws even if he runs into a straight. At the end of the day though, I think you're clearly behind, so it's just a math question of whether you have the odds to hit your flush, and this is dependent on whether the players behind you call.

Do you think he flats sets on the flop on such a wet board though?

IMO the real question is does he ever have 88-jj and play this way .

I'm fine with flatting preflop and would also be fine with even flatting AKs here. There's not exactly a lotta dead money in the pot with just a small raise (especially compared to stacks) and just one call; with more dead money / bigger dead money compared to stacks then more reason to 3bet. But otherwise our hand plays fine multiway and we're ok seeing a flop here in position on most.

With a significant amount of money now in the pot ($100) compared to stacks, plus the fact it is a very weak looking cbet and call, I think I'm ok with getting more aggro on the flop with our decent equity. I probably at least shove the V1 stack to setup a turn shove on any card; could also simply shove our whole stack. Calling is definitely EV given our immediate odds so obviously can't hate on it.

Another benefit to getting more aggro is that we basically guarantee we get to the river to realize our equity. Cuz as played, I'm not so sure we can call the turn as we're only getting 3:1 and bettor doesn't have enough of a stack left behind to pay us off (so we'd need overcalls plus maybe those overcalls to put in some money in what will be a protected pot on the river).

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