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08-11-2014 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by acerwin
all of the posters advocating a flop shove realize there is another player left to act after us and we are 250bb deep with him, right? just because we know he folds for $25 because of the hand history doesn't mean we know that in the moment before he acts. shoving the flop is about as spewy as it gets.
Good point - missed that.

Raising to $115 (enough to put villain all in) is better.
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08-11-2014 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by acerwin
all of the posters advocating a flop shove realize there is another player left to act after us and we are 250bb deep with him, right? just because we know he folds for $25 because of the hand history doesn't mean we know that in the moment before he acts. shoving the flop is about as spewy as it gets.
Well, there are a lot of ways this whole thing can go south. But. If you really believe I have 14 outs, there's no downside to shoving. Even if you discount the overcard outs, it's pretty darn close regardless of which one calls.

Point being, you need only a teeny, tiny bit of fold equity to justify a shove OTF, even if you discount some of the outs.

I need a bit more fold equity to shove the turn, but not a whole lot more.

To be clear, I'm enthusiastic about shoving against the short stack, would greatly prefer to fold out V1. But V1 calling isn't a disaster, just high variance.
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08-11-2014 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Oddhalo
Raising her flop donk lead would be a better play.. Also turn is not a credible bluff card...





This is it.


Raise to whatever would leave about 25 more for her to call so it doesnt look quite a bluffy. Prolly wont matter but i do what i can. I would also 3 bet to only 22 pre since he stack is so low at 140 keeping SPR on flop as low as possible yet still taking the initiative away from her.

Allowing her to bet again basically lets her get too much into the pot to fold and our equity vs her donking range here has to be enormous thus the FE needed will be small.
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08-11-2014 , 06:43 PM
Uh... everyone realizes she has 65 behind after her turn bet right? what in the world is she ever folding? It doesn't even seem necessary to explain just why the flop raise is way superior to this line.

Also OP, between your "poker outfits", your in depth description of villain, and what ever else in the world you said after results were posted, you seem like a freak and really weird dude.
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08-11-2014 , 09:02 PM
You rep nothing and you are getting great odds to continue on your nut draw. I see no reason to shove, esp against a female who has shown interest in the pot.
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08-11-2014 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Teph
Uh... everyone realizes she has 65 behind after her turn bet right? what in the world is she ever folding? It doesn't even seem necessary to explain just why the flop raise is way superior to this line.

Also OP, between your "poker outfits", your in depth description of villain, and what ever else in the world you said after results were posted, you seem like a freak and really weird dude.


Maybe he is a freak and a really wierd dude. But we arent here to judge him, just talk about poker, amirite?
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08-12-2014 , 08:06 AM
@Teph

But I appreciate the explanation just the same. Just here to learn.

Here, I'll return the favor and explain one of the jokes.

Spoiler:
There are very, very few fine, aggressive, female no limit holdem players out there. The few I've come across tend to do very well because it's just hard for men to get inside their heads, you tend to stereotype them and they are often able to use that stereotype to their advantage.

I realized that myself over the winter, when I used to wear this old-man red cardigan to the poker room. This young shark wannabe kept calling me "Mr. Rogers." Which even I will admit was funny. Same basic thing, he stereotyped me as OMC and it seemed to me that I could exploit that stereotyping, last thing he expects is that I even bother to read 2+2, let alone post hands, right?

So the joke is, me and her are doing the same thing, sandbagging our opponents by trying to project a certain image. Someday, when she really is a shark (and I have no doubt she will be) you watch. She will do just the opposite. She will come to the card room dressed like some chick out to party. And it will work.

The victory song ("More Than a Woman," BeeGees) is also a riff on her sandbagging image and her age, although there's a hidden compliment in there. The theme of the song is the coming-of-age of a young woman, and here I see a coming-of-age of a young poker player.

I understand how you feel. Jokes don't seem funny,and when people explain them to you, they still doesn't seem funny. But that's OK, it was probably not a very good joke anyway, right?
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08-12-2014 , 11:26 AM
(Have started thread on "sandbagging" over on the Brick and Mortar forum so if there's anything more to say about passive vs. aggressive lines against aggro opponents, we can get it in before lock)
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08-12-2014 , 12:12 PM
don't like the 1.5x 3bet pre at all with KQoff, but as played you must raise her flop bet, after she bets 25$, she has 90$ left, otf im putting her in and raising to 115$, we got the flop we wanted now lets put it in, we might have a little fold eq, but i doubt it, she prolly has a hand like KJ/AJ, so we have 14 outs, maybe a little less if our K ball is no good vs a KJ type hand, but as played we must 3b jam her all in on the flop
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08-12-2014 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by AbqDave
Now, if I were a younger man, I would have stood up, and done a dance, and sang in a fine falsetto: "OH girl I've known you very well, seen you growing every day-- I've never really looked before, and now you take my breath away! Here in your arms I found my paradise! My only chance for happiness....Oh say you'll always be my baby, we can make it shine!"
In your construction worker costume? Definitely a power move... As long as she doesn't mistake you for one of the village people.

I like the raise pre, esp with your image, but I think you pick up quite a bit of FE / credibly rep KK+ if you make it $35. You might get checked to otf a little more often too.

Turn raise isn't terrible but I like calling better. Your straight cards will improve her to 2 pair or a lower straight fairly often, giving you sneaky good implied odds to go with your obviously good immediate odds.
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08-13-2014 , 03:00 AM
The problem with the turn shove is you look to much like a draw aq ak that turned clubs. You don't credibly rep a hand that is beating her
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