*If you read my recent mini trip report, you know what happens, although I threw in an extra caller by accident.

2/5, 8 handed.

This is my second orbit.

I’ve seen V play one hand. One LP limp, SB completes and he checks his BB. Flop is A high, V bets and gets one caller. It’s checked down and his QQ loses to A6.

V (covers), EP, late 20s / early 30s white guy, (looks like a typical young backpack-wearing reg with a baseball cap, but after the QQ hand it’s hard to believe he’s a “reg”)

H (~$500), MP, 50s white woman, new to table (unknown, and I don’t think I’ve played a hand)

OTTH:

V limps, EP limps, Hero (AsAc) raises to $30, folds, V and limper call.

Flop (~$90) AdQc3c, V bets $45, fold, H raises to $150, V flats.

Turn (~$390): AdQc3c6c, V checks, Hero? (I had lots of thoughts at the time, and I'll elaborate later.)

Well, normally I would flat his flop donk and now check since he´s either drawing dead and likely won´t call or has a flush.

After seeing him check QQ in the BB though he´s just a complete donk. II hope this thread doesn´t evolve into a shitfest as well. Just valuebet the nuts and shove any river.

Hero has $320 back in a pot of $390. What valuebet size makes any sense OTT with a miniscule shove left for river.?

It's 100BB poker. Flop top set. Never folding. Easy shove OTT and live with results. If you were deeper, hand gets more interesting.

Making it 120.The thing about shoving is we make it a little to easy for him. He might fold ace 3 of hearts

I'd bet quarter pot and jam river. There are no rivers we dislike so there's no rush to get the money in. We either have him drawing close to dead or have a lot of equity. A jam folds out many of the hands we have dead.

I don't like the flop raise. You block many of the hands that will continue and having the Ac means that flushing turns aren't very worrisome. It's quite likely he's bluffing or value betting a Qx or PP or something.

Preflop and flop are standard. Turn is a card you would rather not see because it moves some of the plausible flop calls into better hands. This is the sort of situation where I would wish I knew more about villain. All you have seen so far is him playing one hand super fishy.

All things considered though you have top set and a draw to the nut flush with less then a pot sized stack left. You have to be able to pin villain's range as nothing but flushes before checking is best. I like $150 just because that is what you raised too on flop. Anything from $100-$200 should be fine.

I probably either ‘same bet’ it or maybe even dial back a nickel or two to like $140. Could make fishy V think you’re scared of the flush which is kind of true but also kind of not. You’re probable good and if not 1/3rd of the deck gives you the effective nuts. Don’t see any reason to jam here yet and obviously never folding.

If you're saying V checked the BB with QQ in the first hand, then nothing is going to scare me on this board. Just ship turn.

X turn.

It's unlikely he has an Ace and he isn't calling a turn bet with anything worse.

SPR is less than 1 so we can just get money in OTR and there's almost no bad rivers for us which makes it even more of a check.

^ Why would V fold turn but not fold river? He called a rather significant flop raise after donkbetting in an already raised pot. He clearly has a hand, lets get him while he's still hot.

I generally don't like down bets, but this is a case where it makes sense. Let's make it look like a probe bet of 100 and see what he does. If he comes over the top, we have the odds to call. If he folds, he wasn't going to put any more in the pot anyway. If he calls, he'll call the river getting over 3:1.

I think that´s the standard line, but a guy who checks QQ in the BB deserves to be exploited.

I dont understand, what story are we telling here? We're probing the turn to see if AJ is any good?

Flop raise is better than not raising

I also like the idea of downbetting the turn, but on the felt I'd probably just rip it in there

We are not folding any rivers and have tons of equity even if he has it. Bet small to bloat this pot for an easy river jam

Results:

My thoughts at the time: I'm never folding. However, what in the world does he have? If I bet now and he has clubs, obviously he's calling/shoving. If I bet and he doesn't have clubs, what in the world can he call with, especially given that he doesn't have the Ac? I thought checking and hoping that he'd fire the river was the best action.

V limps, EP limps, Hero (AsAc) raises to $30, folds, V and limper call.

Flop (~$90) AdQc3c, V bets $45, fold, H raises to $150, V flats.

Turn (~$390): AdQc3c6c, V checks, Hero checks

River (~$390): AdQc3c6c Ks, V bets $300, Hero puts in the rest.

V has KdKc!

Wow, I got lucky that he hit, although this guy might have bet/called a club (or a blank?) on the river. He might have called a small bet on the turn, too, so maybe that was the best play. At the time, I liked checking. Either way, it worked out. I moved to 5/5 PLO right after this hand, but I wouldn't have minded staying a little longer!

Well played V. I would not have raised the last 90

You think V played it well by bet/calling the flop and then basically potting river with nowhere near the nuts? (Also, I had less than $20 left ($30+$150+$300=$480) and my stack was slightly under $500.)

I was being sarcastic, he misplayed every street except turn. I wouldn’t have raised the last $15

Oh, thank goodness! I was worried

so im wondering what you are hoping to learn from posting this hand? We see V is obviously a completely ****ing fish having checked and flatted QQ/KK respectively. He then donkbets KK on an Ace high flop. Guy is utterly clueless. You could have shipped it right there for 5x pot and he'd call. Are you just trying to learn how morons think so you can extract more value? Because from what I can tell you just gave a fish a free card with top set hoping to kill your action with 4 clubs or something, not sure.

??? During the hand, I had seen him play one hand, so I had no idea what type of moron he was, even though the QQ was terrible. LOL. What are you so upset about?

I didn't give him a "free" card. I explained my thought process on the turn. I wanted him to catch up (or me to catch up if he happened to have a flush), and I wanted him to put more money in, which I did not think would happen if he wasn't already ahead. The last thing I wanted was for him to fold on the turn. I'm not sure what's wrong with that thinking? Please explain if you can, which I doubt.

I'm not trying to learn anything from posting this hand except how others might play it differently and why they would because it's interesting. If you don't think it is, don't post -- we don't need your advice/response, especially when it has nothing to do with the hand. Get a life.

+1

you can't win on here
you post a hand where you win, your bragging

you post a hand where you got sucked out on, your crying about your bad beat.

you post a hand where you play different from everyone else, your a donkey

I basically stopped posting in the High Stakes PLO forum because most posters were so nasty and/or couldn't stand it if someone disagreed with them. I hope this forum isn't heading in that direction

I'm all about alternative points of view. I'm just starting to get the sense that you are looking for justification for your play rather than input.

Only reason I jumped on you was because it sorted sounded like you were defending your line contrary to all responses by posting the results which showed the one and only hand you can continue to get action from with your line and reminding us he also played QQ similarly. "Well it worked out!" is a dangerous line of thinking.

Ignore me and carry on, nothing personal, GLHF.