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Old 04-11-2017, 06:11 PM   #1
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Line check: Flopped top set in limped pot on wet board

Weekday afternoon. 1/3. Hero sits at the table with most chips with $150. Hero has played with one person a few times before (V1 in hand) but no reads on table other than the table as a whole seems active based on 6 hands of observation.

Preflop - 6 way limped pot hero in BB with 88. Not looking to raise here OOP, this short and with no information.

Flop 864 Pot $16 with drops.

Not the nuts but I'll take it.

SB Check
Hero Checks.....is anyone betting here? If so why? This short, my rationale was that I'm going to the felt with this if much more money goes in the pot with top set I'd like to keep it multiway to let others bet/call small and put in a small check raise or call depending on action.

Checks through to Button (V1) who bets $15

SB calls, I raise to $45 and both call.

Pot is $146 with rake/promo all taken out for the hand.

Turn Q

SB checks

Hero Donks $55 into the pot. Both call. $296 pot

River J

I put my last $48 in.

Button raises all-in

SB folds.



Is my general approach to the hand way off? I know it is possible I'm losing the whole time here to a flopped straight but I ain't scared of monsters under the bed even in a limped pot with second nuts on this board.

TIA for input
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Old 04-11-2017, 06:17 PM   #2
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Re: Line check: Flopped top set in limped pot on wet board

Looks like you extracted maximum value without making it too easy for your villains to make their draws. If they flopped a straight (5 7) or hit a backdoor, gut shot straight (9 10) then it's just a cooler.
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Old 04-11-2017, 06:17 PM   #3
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Line check: Flopped top set in limped pot on wet board

On a board this wet with draws everywhere I think this is a must lead otf. And if someone raises then jam it home while high fiving the dealer. Also your stack size on the turn necessitates an all-in.


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Old 04-11-2017, 06:26 PM   #4
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Re: Line check: Flopped top set in limped pot on wet board

I'm 100% leading this flop. I would generally do this anyway, but in a limped pot it's a must-bet. No PFR to expect to c-bet for us. I lead for $20, which is a slight overbet but I don't think anyone really cares in limped pots.

If we lead $20 on flop, and get one caller (we may get more here) that gives us a $56 pot heading to turn with $127 back. We can then lead $40 on turn, and if we get called there's a $136 in pot heading to river with $87 back. Easy jam on river, and we get stacks in without ever having to check/raise or show crazy amounts of strength. If we get more than one caller or get raised on the flop, we may be able to get stacks in before the river which would be even better.
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Old 04-11-2017, 06:42 PM   #5
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Re: Line check: Flopped top set in limped pot on wet board

I agree with others lead on flop pot size bet or larger, I like 45 for size of raise on the flop. When you get 2 callers and the pot is now around 150 on the turn, you should ship it for your last 100. Make the flush or straight draws pay. When you lead 55 into 150, the villain with a flush draw is getting direct odds if they're the 2nd person to call or nearly direct odds by being the only person to call - plus they figure when they hit On the river it's implied you're pot committed and will give them your last $48 (thus giving them the implied odds to call the smaller turn bet)

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Old 04-11-2017, 11:57 PM   #6
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Re: Line check: Flopped top set in limped pot on wet board

yeah i lead this flop too. too many times it gets checked around and A7hh nails a straight on the turn or some crap.
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Old 04-12-2017, 04:34 AM   #7
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Re: Line check: Flopped top set in limped pot on wet board

Yeah leading flop, checking around is a disaster.

Shove the turn, you're offering too good a price to their draws.

Small note, it's not a donk on the turn because you were the last aggressor otf.
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Old 04-12-2017, 06:04 AM   #8
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Re: Line check: Flopped top set in limped pot on wet board

I reraise all in on flop, your initial check worked out brilliantly, turn bet is way too small in my amateur opinion
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Old 04-12-2017, 08:20 AM   #9
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Re: Line check: Flopped top set in limped pot on wet board

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I reraise all in on flop, your initial check worked out brilliantly, turn bet is way too small in my amateur opinion
You're check raising a $15 bet to $150? Seems like scared poker and missing a lot of value. I think the only worse hand that will call is something like Ac7c where they have roughly 50% equity to close the betting. Set over set mostly but that is also extremely rare...

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Old 04-12-2017, 12:44 PM   #10
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Re: Line check: Flopped top set in limped pot on wet board

You've got the most chips on the table and you're sitting with $150 at a 1/3 NL game? Yuck.

I'm kinda either/or preflop. I typically would just take the low variance route here and setmine against the world. But then again, with 5 limps already in, this is actually fairly significant money compared to stacks so I wouldn't hate a big raise either.

I would typically just bet/bet/bet for stacks here. There's a bunch of draws and hands that will put money in the pot. However, on a drawy board like this and if someone is likely to bet, I don't hate a check/raise to setup a turn shove.

As played (checking the flop), with $45 already in the pot I'd probably raise a little more to give poorer odds for draws (noting we're giving fairly decent 3:1 odds to the first guy), but whatever, we don't want to lose anyone either. Either way, we've setup our turn shove.

If I've read things right, we only have ~$100 left on the turn and the pot is ~$150. This is a trivial shove, as even flush draws will typically chase for this decent looking price with shortstacks.

If someone flopped a straight, our goal should be to lose all our money with top set with just 50bb stacks. (ha, this describes my year so far)

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Old 04-12-2017, 12:48 PM   #11
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Re: Line check: Flopped top set in limped pot on wet board

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When you lead 55 into 150, the villain with a flush draw is getting direct odds if they're the 2nd person to call or nearly direct odds by being the only person to call
Technically flush draws only have 7 outs due to our fullhouse outs, so they need 6:1. But yeah, we're never folding the river so giving anything close to required odds is poor.

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Old 04-14-2017, 01:46 PM   #12
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Re: Line check: Flopped top set in limped pot on wet board

I apologize for being unclear and ambiguous in my writing, especially given so many of you took the time to give thoughtful replies. The table was extremely deep. Most everyone had over $600 (except V1 who had me covered) and there were a couple stacks pushing 2k. When I buy in short I look for tables like this as I find they are easier to navigate. I top off if short handed with fish but usually just try to grow my stack organically.

V1 had red 10-9 for a rivered straight. I only have myself to blame for giving better odds on the turn to hit a double gutter (still not correct odds). I have been trying to not blow people off hands as I've developed a habit of doing that lately but must do it reasonably and this was clearly a situation I should have planned to lead out (maybe smallish to induce raise?) OTF
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