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Line check - flopped middling flush in 4-way pot, did I play it right? Line check - flopped middling flush in 4-way pot, did I play it right?

05-26-2018 , 08:46 AM
5/5/10 (mandatory straddle)

Villain 1 (LJ, $3300): LAG/borderline maniac - PFR about 40% (any 2 suited basically), likes to squeeze pre, will triple barrel many runouts. Gotten caught a couple times jamming with busted draws recently.

Villain 2 (HJ, $2400): LAG - will open or call any 2 suited pre, plays draws aggressively

Hero (CO, $1900): Nitty, weak tight image - been card dead most of the session but doubled up a couple times recently

Villain 3 (BTN, $1700): semi-loose pre, high Cbet frequency but fit/fold postflop for the most part

OTTH

V1 and V2 limp
Hero with T9 overlimps (should be raising with this hand, not sure why I didn't)
V3 raises to 60, V1, V2, and hero all call

Flop [$260]: 865
V1, V2, and Hero check (usually would put in a bet here but was confident V3 would take a stab at it)
V3 bets 125, V1 and V2 call
Hero check-raises to 500
V3, V1 tank fold
V2 backraises all-in for 1800 more
Hero folds

Pretty clear fold at the end, as I don't see V3 ever taking this line as a bluff but a couple questions:

(1) Check-raise and XR sizing reasonable on the flop?

(2) Do you guys feel like playing low/middling SCs is massively -EV? I've started to notice that the pots I do win with these hands are small, but when I get overflushed I usually tend to get stacked or lose much more than I'm winning, especially since I start playing them more when I build up a 150+BB stack.
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05-26-2018 , 08:52 AM
If V2 plays draws aggressively, do you think he overplays naked Ah in this spot?
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05-26-2018 , 11:05 AM
We didn't raise pre, didn't open the flop.

For this I really prefer calling the flop, we have 3 streets to gii.
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05-26-2018 , 11:14 AM
I don't think I could fold here against this player. You said V2 plays draws aggressively.
Could V2 shove here with AhKx, AhAx, KhQx, KhKx, QhQx?
If you can see V2 shoving here with these hands then I would call.
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05-26-2018 , 11:16 AM
This is such a good spot to raise pre.

Flop c/r is fine, I'd make it quite a bit more since now there is $625 in pot. Giving him $375 to win $1125 seems like too good of a price when he has a set.

I also disagree folding to the backraise is clear. I think this is a pretty bad spot to slowplay a big flush vs V3 and would remove some weighting toward those, as he should c/r those types of hands himself. Also if V2 is a lag he would probably open his AhXh, suited broadway combos pre. You're only scared of like K4hh type hands imo.

As it stands you pay $1300 to win $2950 so you should only have to have 30% equity. I'm not fist pumping but probably calling anyway.
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05-26-2018 , 11:30 AM
V2 has a bit too many sets, Ah draws, pair +oesf, etc in his range to fold.

Timing tell would be sort of nice on the rip it in action. I don’t think he’s insta ripping it in with the nuts here.

I also think most players aren’t shipping it with the nuts period.

You can remove AJhh+ due to pre action. KJ, KQhh as well.

Worried about A2-A4hh and A9hh, K9hh, QJhh, Q9hh...that’s just not enough for me to fold my flush when his action is weighted towards all flop cards pocket pairs, and all those draws.
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05-26-2018 , 12:46 PM
You guys are all willing to dump in 300+BB's here with a 10-high flush? Villain's flop line of check-call-backraise AI looks super nutted to me - I don't think he's ever doing this with a naked AX. The initial check-call looks like he wants to slowplay a monster, then when he sees me check-raise he's happy to jam it in, hoping I'm priced in to call.

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Originally Posted by Oregon Rick
I don't think I could fold here against this player. You said V2 plays draws aggressively.
Could V2 shove here with AhKx, AhAx, KhQx, KhKx, QhQx?
If you can see V2 shoving here with these hands then I would call.
He's never limping with those hands pre.

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Originally Posted by mdelore
This is such a good spot to raise pre.

Flop c/r is fine, I'd make it quite a bit more since now there is $625 in pot. Giving him $375 to win $1125 seems like too good of a price when he has a set.

I also disagree folding to the backraise is clear. I think this is a pretty bad spot to slowplay a big flush vs V3 and would remove some weighting toward those, as he should c/r those types of hands himself. Also if V2 is a lag he would probably open his AhXh, suited broadway combos pre. You're only scared of like K4hh type hands imo.

As it stands you pay $1300 to win $2950 so you should only have to have 30% equity. I'm not fist pumping but probably calling anyway.
A2-8hh in his limping range pre. You couldn't see him slowplaying a flopped NF then sticking the goods in after I show a ton of strength?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Me2theEV
V2 has a bit too many sets, Ah draws, pair +oesf, etc in his range to fold.

Timing tell would be sort of nice on the rip it in action. I don’t think he’s insta ripping it in with the nuts here.

I also think most players aren’t shipping it with the nuts period.

You can remove AJhh+ due to pre action. KJ, KQhh as well.

Worried about A2-A4hh and A9hh, K9hh, QJhh, Q9hh...that’s just not enough for me to fold my flush when his action is weighted towards all flop cards pocket pairs, and all those draws.
He instajammed but he's been doing that with every action, not really thinking about it much. V1 and V3 were his buddies and he was drinking a bit and just having fun. Timing tell not reliable here IMO.
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05-26-2018 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BreakEvenAt1-3
You guys are all willing to dump in 300+BB's here with a 10-high flush?
Flushes are a good hand.
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05-26-2018 , 06:05 PM
OP ignoring all advice and doubting everyone lol. Yes we stack off with flush when the pot gets to a certain size and V can have worse.

Mandatory straddle makes it closer to 190bbs effective btw.
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05-26-2018 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by BreakEvenAt1-3
A2-8hh in his limping range pre. You couldn't see him slowplaying a flopped NF then sticking the goods in after I show a ton of strength?
Three of those combos not even possible dude.
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05-26-2018 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by mdelore
OP ignoring all advice and doubting everyone lol. Yes we stack off with flush when the pot gets to a certain size and V can have worse.

Mandatory straddle makes it closer to 190bbs effective btw.
Not trying to ignore advice, just surprised at the responses TBH. I was pretty confused by the call-backraise line he took - didn't make much sense to me, but it smelled pretty nutted. There's about 7-8 combos of hearts that he could've limped in pre with that have me crushed, which is why I folded in the moment.
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05-26-2018 , 07:38 PM
There are closer to twenty combos that have you crushed. This is a very close spot imo. Not sure what I do.
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