Hero(435)
V1(250) : Old guy , tight passive player; V2: short stack calling station


I open for 12 in LP with AJo; called by V1 who is on the button or CO; don't remember which one, other V calls as well;

F: A97 , I c-bet for 20 into 36. V1 raises to 45 total; I don't love this but I am getting a great price to continue and I think it is possible that he has some weaker AX at this point. I do believe AK and AQ are in his pf flatting range unfortunately so it makes this kind of tricky,


heads up to a turn: 5 ; suits are irrelevant here, I check it to him and he bets 35; Once again I am getting a great price to continue but I wonder if I can just let this one go here given his image, I'm not worried about 68 combos but I am concerned with sets and AK/AQ ; I call just in case he has some weaker AX's and the sizing doesn't make his hand look very strong


r: 9 ; This likely changes nothing, I check again to get to SD and he quickly sticks out a stack of 100; I go deep into the tank and have a tough time putting him on a hand; I ultimately end up finding a fold given the fact that I don't think he is capable of bluffing here or value betting a weaker A.


I am curious if I could have played this hand better?


TIA

I can find a fold otf to a tight passive player min raising in a 3 way pot. He's not likely doing this with weaker aces. However I don't mind your call otf and ott to a baby bet, but the river is a good fold imo.

Vs described Villain just fold the flop. Tight passive player raises you on the flop, you will make a lot of money long term folding all top pair hands, all one pair hands for that matter.

If you’re not worried about 68 getting there OTT then just fold flop because it’s never a bluff.

+1 fold flop

Turbofolding flop. The nice price you're getting is nowhere near nice enough to cope with the fact that we're drawing dead or to three outs 99.9% of the time.

I thought some % of the time greater than 1% he would be keeping me in check with a hand like A8 or AT; I had been fairly active last few orbits.. I still like the consensus here. there is no problem in just letting this one go and looking for better spots;

I think it was the small sizing that led me to believe that some part of his range was weaker A's ,


Looking back I think you guys are right here

It’s not really a small sizing. After rake + BBJ the pot is like $32-33.

Not to mention raising ace rag is incredibly stupid.

he raised 5 more than a min-raise on the flop that's all im saying.. and then bet 35 into roughly 120 ish

I misread I thought you thought he may be attacking your own small sizing.

Grunch

Against a tight passive player I think you were right to fold the river for sure.

Only question is could you have folded earlier? I'd struggle to fold to the flop minraise but I imagine it could easily be correct if villain is passive enough. However it is so small and there's a chance he's doing a dumbass "find out where I'm at" raise with AT and we can spike a J on turn if he does flat AK/AQ preflop so whatever, not the end of the world to call flop....

...except he's then sucked you into calling another bet on the turn. I'm deffo giving up here, and probably cursing myself for not just folding flop!

If you're sure of your read he's tight and passive and flats AK/AQ preflop I think you should fold flop - silly as that may seem for a minraise.

old passive guy that raises are very rarely raising you to keep you in line.
this villian has got 2 pair minimum here.

the flop is pretty standard till villian starts raising you.
the issue is the raises sizing is so small that it seems criminal to be folding here for such a great price but when in reality you are crushed.
the turn again he bets small and again you call but your ranging on villian is pretty weak, again it comes back to your original read of old passive guy, on a board of A975 what hands are you beating? A8/AT are about it and this villian is not check/raise,bet line here with those.
River is an easy fold.

I think what made this hand intresting for you is that your read on the villian seem to change a little with each street of betting.

preflop villian is old passive guy

flop villian might be raising with weaker TP but also have AK/AQ in his range

Turn you are concern about sets/AK/AQ but he could also have weaker Ax's in his hand as his bet sizing is small

River you think he isnt bluffing and that he "has" it

I think that what also threw you off was the small raise/bet sizing from villian.
I am sure that if you think about it more how the hand played out you will think that you should be folding on the flop a lot more of the time. in the end it cost you 30bb when really you could happily cbet/fold against this villian a lot of the time and feel good about it.

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He was raising with a one pair hand on the flop.. he claimed he had AQ; my read did not change as hand progressed, his range was simply narrowed down by the river bet; I can easily remove weaker A's from his range on the river bc the line he is taking is simply too strong for him to have those hands; OTF and OTT I think that those hands make up a small part of his range; apparently he had AQ he said; I think I could be finding a fold on the flop and perhaps my call was a bit ambitious , however saying he has 2P or better on the flop is a stretch .

Betting AQ on this river is just clicking buttons. Doesn’t really change anything that you’ve been told thus far. Raising AQ on the flop is also clicking buttons as he almost let you off the hook.

I don't hate calling the flop raise, but once he bets the turn I'm going to find a fold.

Problem is, it doesn't matter that he has a worse ace if he's going to continue to bet it OTT, since we can't call. If you're calling in hopes he has a worse ace you need him not merely to have it but to check the hand down thereafter.

Yeah, very true.

I find this a particularly hard line to take for some reason - call a bet or raise on one street simply to see if V checks it down. There are many spots where this can be the best approach (this may not be such a spot) but I guess my machismo gets in the way of me calling one street intending to fold the next if it's bet.

Fold the flop, fold the turn, fold the river.

Tight passive old man is never raising with a worse A. AK/AQ is literally the bottom of his range here.

OMCs love to minraise precisely because they know they're giving "too good of a price to fold." That's why you can just fold, especially since your read is that he's never semi-bluffing with straight draw here. Don't play into their game, just fold.

If you think he's ever raising a worse Ace on the flop, then your entire read is off.