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Line Check with A6s on BTN vs. Decent TAG Line Check with A6s on BTN vs. Decent TAG

07-24-2016 , 12:27 AM
2/5 Live NL

My stack: 480
V stack: 1200

V Notes: V is a late 20's African American guy who plays a decent TAGgy game post-flop but a bit splashy pre-flop. He does play his semi-bluffs aggressively and does have the capability of bluffing here and there.

V limps in MP and so do 2 others. I raise to 20 on BTN with A6. Asian lady calls in BB and she is a bad player (straight forward and nitty). V calls. Other 2 fold.

Pot=75
Flop: JQ2

Asian lady checks. V checks and I bet 50. Asian lady folds. V raises to 125. I call.

POT= 325
Turn: A

V bets 125. I call.

POT=575 (I have about 200 left)

River: J

V bets 125. Us?
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07-24-2016 , 12:40 AM
snap call

It only has to be qx 1/6th of the time (ish)

line doesn't really make sense with jx/kt, I dunno why ax minraises flop but you chop sometimes too

Last edited by DK Barrel; 07-24-2016 at 12:56 AM. Reason: cant math
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07-24-2016 , 12:51 AM
A little confused why villain went so small when raising otf. Without specific hands that we know villain is bluffing I don't think we are good calling otr ever here. Villain isn't c/r and then betting super small ott and otr for anything except value. Since we arent deep I am probably just trying to gii otf instead of calling otf.
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07-24-2016 , 01:18 AM
Yeah I feel like most of his range was drawy, combos and semi-bluffs - any of which that have spades of course I am owning. I was considering shoving but I didn't know if keeping the worse spade draws in would be more +EV than shoving as I really think the only nut hands he does this with were 22, JQ, maybe JJ if he got tricky pre-flop.

In looking at it deeper, I am thinking we probably have a lot of FE here and certainly a lot when called so a shove here is likely the most +Ev, followed by call. It comes down to does he have more spade draws in his range that I will push out or does he have more nutty hands in his range that I will not push out and have to improve against.
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07-24-2016 , 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by wager9
Yeah I feel like most of his range was drawy, combos and semi-bluffs - any of which that have spades of course I am owning. I was considering shoving but I didn't know if keeping the worse spade draws in would be more +EV than shoving as I really think the only nut hands he does this with were 22, JQ, maybe JJ if he got tricky pre-flop.

In looking at it deeper, I am thinking we probably have a lot of FE here and certainly a lot when called so a shove here is likely the most +Ev, followed by call. It comes down to does he have more spade draws in his range that I will push out or does he have more nutty hands in his range that I will not push out and have to improve against.
No way villain is r/f spades here. I don't think we have any FE otf, but we may have pretty good equity against the weaker splashier part of his range.His turn lead of 125 seems so weird though. The only straight combo he gets there with is KTss which is probably going bigger otf. is villain 3! AQ pre in this spot? Maybe we can shove ott to make villain fold some 2p parts of his range as played.

What was your plan you called otf?
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07-24-2016 , 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 7weeks2days

What was your plan you called otf?
Once I chose to not GII in here (as I agreed with you at the time that I did not think he would fold much otf) my plan was to re-evaluate the turn. I knew this V to be somewhat erratic at times and makes weird bet sizings. After his bet ott I just played the hand getting the straight odds he was giving me to hit. Also OTT I felt like I had some showdown value now as well so my plan was to keep pot as small as possible unless the spade hits. Either way was +EV I think and it came down to FE otf.

You bring up a good point about maybe having some FE on the turn but it seemed like after the A hit I had some showdown value and felt calling served both purposes.
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07-24-2016 , 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by wager9
Once I chose to not GII in here (as I agreed with you at the time that I did not think he would fold much otf) my plan was to re-evaluate the turn. I knew this V to be somewhat erratic at times and makes weird bet sizings. After his bet ott I just played the hand getting the straight odds he was giving me to hit. Also OTT I felt like I had some showdown value now as well so my plan was to keep pot as small as possible unless the spade hits. Either way was +EV I think and it came down to FE otf.

You bring up a good point about maybe having some FE on the turn but it seemed like after the A hit I had some showdown value and felt calling served both purposes.
I didn't realize how great of a price we were getting otf, I must have messed up the math when I read it the first time. Calling on the flop is much better than I thought. Ott we get a great price again so calling isn't so bad. Otr I think calling is our worst option. Looking back calling otf and calling ott isn't the worst thing as long as we fold river. A turn shove is interesting but without understanding why our villain is sizing their bets the way they are it's probably a better idea not to go bananas.

I think we have more FE ott than otf.
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