(sb) Villain is usally quite active. Rarely folds preflop. Think he beets the game but he is very loose especially preflop and plays out of position alot. Late 20's early 30's

Hero (bb) 30, between tag/lag. table just started 10-15 min ago but wev'e played before.

Hero $155, villain covers.




Hero: A8

1fold, villain raises to 6 out of sb, hero 3bets to 26. Villain calls.


Flop: Q83 pot(50)

Villain checks, Hero takes some time and bets $30. Villain quickly shoves. Around $90 more to hero to call. Hero calls. thoughts?

Edit: I read your cards wrong at first, did you ninja edit your post?

Three handed I think I snap off. I hate the 3 bet pre then bet flop line if you're going to bet/fold the flop here once half your stack is in.

No i didn't edit anything lol. I thought ace blocker is decent 3bet hand. And I didn't want to set up a pattern of calling, and then just folding the flop when I miss.

I agree with you about the flop bet and calling it off. I tanked for awhile on the flop eventually deciding b/c he is so wide that I have to bet, mostly to protect my hand I guesse. If I check back theres alot of turn cards that he will just lead and I will have no idea how to react b/c i checked back the flop.
I would have to like call a turn lead and then soul read river if he double barrells which I should expect.

as for ranges: the small open and call pre I'm ruling out big pp's. so check/raise I'm giving him flush draw alot I guesse. And I think he will just check call or lead out himself with a queen at least half of the time. Which leaves sets and random 2 pairs/bluffs I guesse. Does this seem like a good range for this opponent?

You have the Ad so i would skew his range away from flushes and more toward a Q / Q 8ish type hand trying to protect here..

Seems okay, a tad aggressive but i'm okay with the line heads up vs an aggro active V...

I'd fold. Here's the range I gave him:

JJ-88,33,AQs,KQs,KdJd,Kd9d,QTs+,JdTd,Jd9d,Td9d,Td8d,9 d8d,8d7d,7d6d,AQo,KQo,QTo+

You have 24.72% equity. Your pot odds are 2.222-1, so you need 31.03% equity or higher to call.

24.72%<31.03%, so fold. But if he's as lag as you say, we can add more bluffs and weaker 8-X in his range which would make it a call.

I think villain has you beat here, i understand why you thought that calling was a good idea at the time but, I can't really put him on anything that you beat, he prolly just had something like AQs/KQs or a big overpair and thought he would be crafty by basically min bet/calling preflop (he may have thought - "durr hurr, I'm gonna trap him and only call here."

I think your flop bet is pretty terrible. Betting to protect your hand, esp heads up and against a lag opponent when you have position is not a good enough reason to bet. if u don't have a solid enough read that villain will shove lighter than A8 enough to snap call, your much better off checking the flop for pot control and/or induce bluffs.

Even though there are many overcards that will come off on the turn, my plan would be to call any bet made by villain as his bluff range will surely exceed his value bet range. He has 12% chance to pair any K-9 card that peels off and thats assuming he has two overcards to your 8 and about a 16% chance that he had top pair on the flop. Given description of villain i would think his bluff range on almost any card would be somewhere between 50-100%.

If the turn was an Ace, 8, or 7-2 and villain bet i would raise his bet and just get it in. If the river was any of the ^^^^ cards i would plan on calling any river bet villain made too. If the river was a K-9 card and villian double barreled i would prob tank fold.

As played villains range is prob top pair or flush draw and your not in good shape against either but he might have enough flush draws or 8x in his range to call but i usually like to have a stronger read that villain actually plays his draws/weak hands that way first.

just don't see how we're deep enough to 3b light even against an active opponent. If i 3b with a marginal hand like A8, its always with the intention of taking it down pre and almost never for value, so i'd have to be pretty sure he has a high fold to 3b percentage.

since he rarely folds pre, then i'd rather 3b with a hand with more value post flop that i'd be willing to get it in with. 75bb deep is just not deep enough to make these plays, even short handed.

Agree with this. As played, I probably bet closer to pot OTF with no intention of folding to a shove.

Thanks for the great feedback guys alot to consider.

results: because 3 handed and how lag he is, combined with the amount I invested I came to the decision to make the call here.

villain had 3,4 offsuit and hit two pair on turn ftw. Should this affect how we approach playing vs this villain or our lines vs villain and should I alter any of my reads on him?

Top your stack off, especially if you are looking to Iso V on the light side.

I guess "loose" was giving this guy too much credit, maybe "detached" is a better way to describe his play.

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