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09-13-2018 , 11:03 PM
Two hands, both 2/5

Hand #1: V1 is a 30s white guy, opens loose pre and doesn't fold to 3b most of the time. Plays relatively straightforward post. We had been battling a tiny bit but I have been playing tight/showing down winners mostly. Effective stacks: 900

V1 opens to 20 from MP, V2 calls in SB, I 3b to 90 from BB with AcAs, V1 calls, V2 folds.

Flop: KhQd4d (Pot: 200) - I check, V1 checks behind.

Turn: 4h (Pot: 200) - I bet 130, V1 calls.

River: 9d (Pot: 460) - I bet 250, V1 jams for ~630 total, Hero folds.

- I really tanked for a long time here because we beat KQ/K9s, but not sure if those hands jam. I'm not sure if it's better to just check/call river instead but that seems pretty nitty. Maybe bet/fold slightly smaller on turn?


Hand #2
V1 is unknown MAWG, effective stacks: 550

Hero opens to 20 from UTG with 4d4s, 3 callers, V1 in UTG+2.

Flop: 10c6d4h (Pot: 80) - I check, V1 bets 60, folds to me and I flat.

Turn: 10d (Pot: 200) - I check, V1 bets 150, I jam for 480 total.

- I thought about this more and more but I feel like my line is way too strong? My line of thinking was that I was sure he had a 10 here and wasn't folding so I just wanted to jam now instead of it going check/check on river if he had a medium kicker. Now I'm thinking even medium kickers almost always bet river?

Last edited by Limited; 09-13-2018 at 11:07 PM. Reason: bold
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09-14-2018 , 02:38 AM
Hand 1:

Bet flop. Not sure why you checked. He would have 4! KK and maybe QQ sometimes. That leaves exactly some QQ, KQ and 44 you're behind vs. his entire 3! calling range (AQ, KQ, 88+, AJ, maybe AK, KJ 9Ts etc) you're ahead far more than you're behind. Bet like 100-120.

Bet turn. You're now ahead of 98% of his hands. Most likely doesn't have KK, KQ just got counter fitted and another 4 makes 44 super unlikely. The pot at this point should be 400-440, I'd bet on the larger side both to give straight and flush draws bad odds to call and to value bet AK, KQ, KJ etc. Who thinks they're ahead or chopping. Planning to shove almost any river.

Jam river. The only time I'd even consider a fold is if exactly the Kd fell.


Hand 2:

Bet flop: checking a super dry disconnected flop as the PFR looks very sketchy. You also need to get value. If you're afraid you need to balance your range here I'd much rather check with a hand like KT.

Turn: I don't mind a check here. If he called flop he either has a Tx type hand, a weakish pair, or a draw/draw plus pair. None of which we're afraid of giving equity to. You're still going to get value from a T that bets, maybe from a draw who bluffs and a weaker pair isn't calling anyway. Check call.

River: I'd sometimes lead here or check going for a check raise. It depends on how scary the river card is and the player.

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09-14-2018 , 10:17 AM
I feel like you're overcomplicating things on hand 1. In particular bet/folding the river seems pretty bad because your hand is kind of face-up as something medium-strength and you're at the top of your range. Like if you're not calling AA here, what are you calling? Against an OMC I wouldn't worry about this, but although this V is fairly straightforward post he obviously has some gamble in him, and this is an obvious bluffing card and an easy read that you are not particularly strong. Just bet/bet/bet and get it in. If you're beaten you're beaten, you charged enough pre that it shouldn't matter. I'd have made it 100 btw, but whatever close enough.

In hand 2, raising 44 UTG is too loose. You can limp it or fold it. Checking this flop is awful FPS, just bet. Turn x/r is pointless. If he has a T you're always stacking him (if you're worried about him checking the river, you can jam yourself, but I usually wouldn't. On something like the Jd maybe). If he doesn't he's going to fold. Maybe he shows up with a bluff here, just give him some rope.
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09-14-2018 , 04:52 PM
H1: Given V has been straight-forward post, his shove offers 3.5-1, so little fold equity, if any, so I'm ok with the fold, but I'm betting flop/turn given his wide PF calling range, and smaller on river.

H2: I'd limp pre, betting flop, betting turn. As played, I'd prefer your C/R on flop, leading turn.
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09-14-2018 , 06:19 PM
Hand 1 : You say he is straightforward post, so what does our flop check accomplish? Seems like we are just reverse/negative equity slowplaying when we check AA, very little to be gained. Start off with a flop bet of ~120. Since he checked back flop & flatted turn, the group of hands we want to get value from on river is a lot of weaker stuff (Qx, underpairs, a few weak Kx), that I'm inclined to make a bet of 200 for value OTR. Folding to the river raise looks good.

Hand 2 : Start off with a flop bet of ~45, please! I don't mind how you played it after the flop ck, but I want to get flop value from a lot of the weak hands/draws {6x, gutters} that won't bet themselves.
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09-14-2018 , 10:40 PM
Hand 1:
I like a bigger turn bet of like $170ish although I doubt it affects the hand.

As played, river fold seems fine as long as you're sure you have KK/QQ/AK here sometimes and check that flop still.

Hand 2:
I would just lead the flop and potentially go for a check/raise on dry turns. Checking flop makes it hard to control the size of the bets that go in the pot and leads to awkward situations where the turn goes check/check and you're not sure whether to induce a bluff on the river or go for value.
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