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Limping range on BTN with 2/3/5 blind structure Limping range on BTN with 2/3/5 blind structure

10-31-2016 , 11:25 AM
I'm new to this format of blind structure. 500 max

2 on the button, 3 on SB, 5 on BB

Games can be as loose passive as most live games.

Let's say people limps to you, you are on the button.

I rarely overlimp button at regular 2/5 or 2/4 games.

But I feel this game I could have a over limping range.

What is your strategy?
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10-31-2016 , 04:00 PM
If the blinds are passive and likely to simply complete/check most of the time, you can limp wide but it depends a lot on what happens ahead.

Say we have 2 or 3 limpers ahead, blinds will probably complete/check and ranges are wide. I'm likely to raise pretty tight, say something like 88+/ATo/A9ss/KQo/KJss/QJss. Tighter if we have OMCs who limp AQ and looser if I can get a lot of folds.

So that leaves 22-77/Axss/65ss - T9ss and KJo/KTo/QJo/QTo/JTo which I'd overlimp. Maybe A9o.

This is 2/3 though not 2/5.
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10-31-2016 , 05:03 PM
I'm pretty sure mathematically, the $2 on the btn should force you to open up your range based on how much money is in the pot. The question is, how much more? I know we are going to be leaking money on the btn because of the blind $2. I'm personally not changing my limping on the button range after limpers.

Limping for me will usually depend on the player types that are in the blinds and who is limping.

If it's only the blinds and they are are passive pre, then I'm generally limping a wide range because there will be money behind and I have ultimate position. Something similiar to WereBeer but I'm more than likely raising my broadways. If the blinds are passive pre-flop and fit/fold on the flop, then I am going to be raise many hands that I'd be limping with and following that up with a flop c-bet.

With limpers, I'd be inclined to have the same range as ^^ and play the same way except I would c-bet bluff close to zero since we'd more than likely go multi-way.
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10-31-2016 , 05:25 PM
I didn't do any math to support it but I would suspect that already priced in for 2/5 of a limp, you should be completing a lot. I know that we should be defending our bb to BTN min opens very wide, this situation is giving us way better odds + we are on the button


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Originally Posted by keybattle
I'm new to this format of blind structure. 500 max



2 on the button, 3 on SB, 5 on BB



Games can be as loose passive as most live games.



Let's say people limps to you, you are on the button.



I rarely overlimp button at regular 2/5 or 2/4 games.



But I feel this game I could have a over limping range.



What is your strategy?

why not? Skill + position = rarely needing cards.
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10-31-2016 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
I didn't do any math to support it but I would suspect that already priced in for 2/5 of a limp, you should be completing a lot. I know that we should be defending our bb to BTN min opens very wide, this situation is giving us way better odds + we are on the button





why not? Skill + position = rarely needing cards.

This might be a leak for me for having no overlimping LP range.

I came from online 6-max background. At first, I had no limping range at all preflop cuz that's what I have been doing online. I either raise or fold.

I feel that live game pre are too loose passive. LP weaker hands trying to ISO is burning money.

I'm adjusting this as well.

What is your strategy of limping button at 2/5 table?


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10-31-2016 , 06:46 PM
limp OTB = capped range...
however if we have 1 whale/spot limping in (the kind who can lose 35+bb in unlimped pot with one pair hand OOP ) in this case i like ton limp all trashes suited and all connectors up to 2 gaps unsuited
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10-31-2016 , 06:56 PM
I vPiP 50+% otb w multiple limpers in a hand, ESP OMC station types. My raise range is laughably tight. This assumes you don't have any raise monkeys on your left about to make it stupid.

I think my raise range is like all pp, AQ+. I'm def limping KJ, I have to be in the right mood to raise AJo and KQo (suited AJ a raise, def limping A9s and sometimes KQs).

Much easier to crush LLSNL postflop, esp of you can get lots of cheap, multiway spots.


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10-31-2016 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
If the blinds are passive and likely to simply complete/check most of the time, you can limp wide but it depends a lot on what happens ahead.

Say we have 2 or 3 limpers ahead, blinds will probably complete/check and ranges are wide. I'm likely to raise pretty tight, say something like 88+/ATo/A9ss/KQo/KJss/QJss. Tighter if we have OMCs who limp AQ and looser if I can get a lot of folds.

So that leaves 22-77/Axss/65ss - T9ss and KJo/KTo/QJo/QTo/JTo which I'd overlimp. Maybe A9o.
neat toy game. I think this is a pretty good answer. Probably overlimp 88 as well. I also overlimp more of my suited Ax, sometimes very strong suited aces, like even AJs. Assuming eff stacks around 100bbs
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10-31-2016 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
neat toy game. I think this is a pretty good answer. Probably overlimp 88 as well. I also overlimp more of my suited Ax, sometimes very strong suited aces, like even AJs. Assuming eff stacks around 100bbs
88/A9ss is probably on the wider end of the raising range for me. Then when the OMCs are involved and we have like 5+ limpers I probably tighten to TT+/AQo/KQo/AJss. I'd feel bad overlimping AJss on the button though

I tighten up my raising range more in the blinds, my completing range in SB is vast though because the format is 2/3 and with say 6 limpers ahead we get 20:1.
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10-31-2016 , 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ConGame
never limp on the BTN.
if your hand is good to play, why not raise ?
with limpers in front: you raise.
no limpers at all so you're the first in the pot: you raise
^^^
Bad and wrong
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11-01-2016 , 05:53 AM
In a typical 2/5 limped pot my VPIP on the button is 62 to 65%. I feel that's too tight though.

If I only played the hands that I typically raise over the limpers, my VPIP in these spots would be 10 to 15%.
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11-01-2016 , 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
In a typical 2/5 limped pot my VPIP on the button is 62 to 65%. I feel that's too tight though.

If I only played the hands that I typically raise over the limpers, my VPIP in these spots would be 10 to 15%.


60/10 seems appropriate here.
But no different, essentially, than a 2/5 w 3 limpers, assuming the three blinds aren't all about raising OOP pre. Due to 2 blinds worthy of defending, likely this gets both to complete most every time by players (common nitfish leak, always completing SB and defending BB vs smallish raises)


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