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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Course it all depends on how many limpers there are, and how many will fold to the raise, etc.; I'm guessing there is probably some sweet spot (HU?) which is likely the best result? But, again, given that after a world of limpers we're almost getting immediate setmining odds, it's not abundantly obvious to me that getting some folds is remarkably better than almost setmining here. Is getting everyone to fold a good result? If everyone is solid postflop, probably. If anyone in the mix is horrible, it may be a disaster.
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It's just a gross misclassification to say 99 is a pure setmining hand before preflop action is complete. 22 otoh
is a pure setmining hand (that does not necessarily even need to be included in ranges at all to make them more profitable). It's flop equity distribution is extremely polarized, set or nothing, and as such there is no reason to play it as a raise given it makes more money with 3,4,5,6 perhaps 8 ranges (better chance to make weaker made hands) seeing the flop for as cheaply as possible.
(Except in Tomark's case where he refuses to have any limping ranges in which case 22 is viable as a raise/fold pre). 22 also has severe RIO problems with it's straight equity as it only does so on A345/3456 boards, it's flush equity is obviously useless, and its frequency of being oversetted is naturally the highest of all other pps.
99, however, is going to flop overpairs, second pair, less dominated SDs, sets, along with middling flush equity on many flops. It has a smooth (I think this is the term) flop equity distribution that allows for far more playability on flops and late street play as well. As a result, it would like the pot size, heading to the flop, to be a certain size (hard to know exactly how much), but it isn't 6 ways for 6bb. A simple proof is that 22 would love to see a 6 way pot for 6bb which means it's higher raw equity counterpart does not.