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03-10-2013 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
then you should be raising more initially. That's the solution I've come up with. I'm real snug up front anyway, but I raise everything I'm gonna raise to an amount that si almost certain not to go 53 ways to the flop. If there's an adjustment period, it isn't very long and eventually the table just knows you as that guy who raises huge preflop. Then I'm on my way with a seriously juiced single raised pot with big hands vs. 1-2 players without the trouble of maybe tipping them off. I've played at tables where this raise size was north of $30. Sounds ridiculous, but its happened.
This awesome. Been experimenting with this too. Been making it 35 up front. 30 in mp. 25 in lp when opening. More of course with limpers. It seems usually at my tables 40 is the cutoff - too many folds in EP with 40 opens. Thanks for the responses.
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03-10-2013 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerodox
I thought he was a good player. I meant that his preflop call was bad. Not his post flop call. Once he calls pre he clearly has to call post. I raised pre hoping he would make a mistake. I am open to the idea that I should have just called pre. I'll admit that the 3bet pre surprised me, and I hadn't thought through whether to 4bet. I was just planning to 3bet to around 150 or more if the blinds called 35. So maybe I should just call given stack sizes and SPR. See Richard parker's input.

Do u like limping AA UTG here, or ever?
Why is his preflop call bad?
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03-10-2013 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by mela
Why is his preflop call bad?
Because hero accidently flipped his hand faceup

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03-11-2013 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by playertee
Because hero accidently flipped his hand faceup

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Lolololol. Yes.

No not really. But I only do this with AA. So it's a bad call.
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03-11-2013 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerodox
Lolololol. Yes.

No not really. But I only do this with AA. So it's a bad call.
99.99% of llsnl only do this with AA only, don't be too harsh on yourself

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03-11-2013 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by playertee
99.99% of llsnl only do this with AA only, don't be too harsh on yourself

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I'm not convinced it's a bad way to play (limp RR only AA in this circumstance). Willing to be convinced. Some don't like the limp RR AA UTG at all. But if you think the problem is having an AA only range, then what should be the range for limp RR UTG? I am thinking of adding KK. Add QQ too?
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03-11-2013 , 01:06 AM
If you're at an aggressive table where nearly every pot is raised pre, limp/re-raising kk/qq might be ok. But eventually people will catch on and limp behind, and they'll get a cheap price to take A3 or K9 to a flop and spike an overcard.

I l/rr a certain percentage utg or utg+1, but after AA, I add AK and AQs to the mix. The only caution is that other people l/rr AK too, so some regs know that's a big part of you range.

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03-11-2013 , 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerodox
Lolololol. Yes.

No not really. But I only do this with AA. So it's a bad call.
So he shouldn't be calling anything but AA right?

Why did you pop it up then? To fold out his KK-?
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03-11-2013 , 01:11 AM
Plus, "passive players on your left" --> you should open raise AA instead of limping and hoping some of those passive players would raise your limp, which shouldn't happen very often
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03-11-2013 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerodox
So against u this would be bad. Maybe when I get to 5/T this would be bad, but here? I think the 3/5 at the Muck is bad enough to do this. See my bbv post about a week ago if interested. I've done it very successfully twice now. I agree that it turns my hand face up but it seems to be working.
More than that, it's not like your limp reraise actually worked. You just ran aces into kings so you got paid off. It's not like you tricked anybody. Hell, you even say he's not a good player because he has kings. Which LOL if you think a good player can't pay you off with kings then your line with aces ****ing sucks balls.

Raising, getting 3bet and 4betting is a line a million times weaker than the lrr. You get called by JJ and AK all the time there.

Now, that doesn't mean you can never LRR AA, but you need some sort of reason to do it. These reasons could include:

1) A tell that a guy is about to raise
2) Idiots galore
3) Super idiots galore

A good solid player who punish limpers is not a good reason. They just fold, unless they have KK, which they'd 3bet/call anyways. Furthermore, targeting these players is really dumb. Target the bad passive players, not the guys who raise/fold ffs.
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02-02-2014 , 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by madlondoner
Hard to comment on viability when you just coolered someone. Money obv going in whatever.
This basically. I'll say this, your sizing is really bad and turns your hand face up as KK+ with possibly some QQ. I would fold KK pre there. If villain was a lot better, he would've folded pre to your tiny min reraise. I'm fairly certain he put you on exactly AA but just couldn't fold the second nuts pre.
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02-02-2014 , 02:40 AM
As played, either limp shove or flat the 3bet pre. Limp raising is fine only if villains will call you with worse than QQ+ OFTEN.

Last edited by slimshady1999; 02-02-2014 at 02:52 AM.
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02-02-2014 , 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerodox
I think my 4bet cold range is only AA. Probably a leak of mine. My 5bet call range is probably only AA. Probably another leak.

I think I would fold KK to a 4bet and a 5bet. Another leak?
None of these are necessarily leaks. Especially 200+bb deep against most players, it's correct to only get it in with AA pre. For this hand, it's your sizing that I hate the most. You may as well tell villain you have AA.
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02-02-2014 , 07:11 AM
In general i am a fan of limp reraising KK/AA on some occasions. The times i have executed this move have gotten me the most action with these hands in the games i attend.

Its often a very stationy table, people just luuuuve to see flops and have an incredibly hard time folding preflop if they have put any money in the pot. So even if i play my hand face up as KK/AA (to good players), it have been huge value for me.

Especially from early position like UTG or UTG+1 i love to limp KK or AA. Depending on the amount of action in front of me (wich players raised/reraised) i can decide if the pot is big enough preflop and maybe i then want to flat to really trap somebody or i can reraise pre to juice up the pot even more.
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02-02-2014 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
My thoughts are that you're lucky he had exactly KK because any decent player will see KK+ unless you've shown something else.
Actually he probably convinced someone with queens to fold and lost an entire buy-in with his strategy.
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02-02-2014 , 01:46 PM
Dont limp 3 bet AA.
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02-02-2014 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by AintNoLimit
Dont limp 3 bet AA.
If you play at a table with tableconditions when this works incredibly good why not?

I woudnt have done it if it didnt work out for me, but it does. For meg at my usual table and "refusing to fold" conditions i would say i limp reraise 20-30 percent of the time with KK or AA.
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