I was playing a 1/3 game where one player was very loose aggressive and would straddle UTG ($6) every single time he had an oppportunity to do so. He would almost always raise his straddle to $25-30 if it had been limped around. Surprisingly, 2-3 callers would come along whenever this happened. Would doing a seat change to the right of the loose aggressive person and limp reraising high pocket pairs (QQ-AA) been a good idea in this case when I was in the BB or would playing straightforward still have made more sense in this case?

Depends on stacks and his post flop play.

could definitely be. if you had good relative position on him by being directly to his right and lots of opponents are l/c after he makes his standard raise, the l/rr isn't bad with all the dead money in the pot

Your position relative to the aggro when he straddles isn't a major factor. Just limp and re-pop.

a lot more dead money in the pot if your to his right and allow more opponents to make the mistake of l/c.

If the LAGfish or the limp-callers are bad enough to pay off your limp-reraise, go for it.

Nothing wrong with making a exploitative play if all the ******s at your table are dumb enough to pay you off.

Thanks for all the comments. I was playing short ($200 or 66 BB) so I decided to shove all in twice when this happened and I was just wondering if this was the best line to take. Everyone folded so I never got to see a flop.

Was this in Washington @ Little Creek?

Had that same exact thing happen, sounds like the same player..lol

Look... limp/raise looks like KK+. Always.

So why would you want to play very predictable and limp/raise only KK+?

Limp/raise works best when you are willing to do with with a much wider range.

In fact, I prefer to limp/raise with a very polarized range. Something like [JJ+, AQs+, AKo, 22-88, 32s-65s, complete-trash] generally works very well for me.

My goals for limp/raise is as follows in order:

1) Take the pot down now.

2) Flop the best hand and take the pot down on the flop.

3) Flop a strong hand that is not likely dominated (i.e. never limp-raise with AJ).

4) Flop a strong draw that is completely opposite of what villain puts me on. E.g. Hero holds 5s4s and flop Js6s7x or flop is 5c2s6s.

5) Flop a miracle with my complete trash and open shove the flop. E.g. Hero holds T2o and flop is J22.

6) Miss the flop entirely against villain(s) who will fold for a small flop bet. E.g. Hero limp raises to 50BB with 200BB stacks, and Hero leads flop for 10BB into pot of 105BB and Villain folds in disgust.

7) Check/fold flop.

Also, limp/raise only works 2 or 3 times per session, and perhaps its shouldn't be used at all. You want to have the appropriate image too. If you have a LAGy image or you've shown a few bluffs, forget limp/raise for the session.

If you're playing short stack, then limp/raise more frequently, but only with the idea that you are always ALL IN preflop or open shoving ALL flops.

^ ^ good post

Just make sure you're doing this specifically against people who always straddle and/or THINK. Some idiot who tries a straddle once and wakes up with AK will call your weak hands.

Lapidator,

This is low-stakes live NL. There is no reason to balance your limp-reraise range.

If people are idiotic enough to pay off a limp-reraise, then just do it for value.

If people are constantly folding to squeeze plays, then limp-re raising as a bluff sounds good.

But, balance has nothing to do with it! As always, balance and live NL have nothing to do with each other because the vast majority of live Nl players at 5/5 NL and below are lol bad.

WHAT? Seat change for that reason? No.
Limp RR from the BB. This means you are effectively last to act. That said, this only answers re preflop when in the BB. You may want to change seats to his left for other reasons (want to play other seats and post flop with him on your right).

^^^ This.

Limp rr from EP is so terrible and yet people seem to love this play. I guess there could be a situation where you are a few seats right of straddler. But in general it is just bad poker.

I mean you say players are limp calling raises from the straddler to 25-30. Why not just raise ourself and build a pot with low spr where we can pretty comfortably stack off on most boards.

I just don't understand the fascination with l-rr

It's very, very simple: nits, and people who are not great postflop in general, don't want to risk an unfriendly board.

You have AA in EP.

Scenario 1: You raise to 25, get called 5 ways, and now are in a $150 pot oop with a spr above 3 and a hand that will be often be behind on the flop.

Scenario 2: You limp, next player raises to 25, 5 calls, you 3bet to $125. Everyone folds and you pocket $150 uncontested. Or you get one or two callers and enjoy a $300+ pot with an spr of 1 and a hand that will usually stay ahead to the river.

If scenario 2 has a high probability of occurring, why would you choose scenario 1?

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Because LOL at thinking you're going to get AA/KK/QQ while in the big blind during this session. And you're out of position against an aggro-tard for the other 99.99% of hands. You win LLSNL by getting value from your opponents, not by limp-raising shenanigans.

You seem to think posters in this forum who limp/rr do so with the majority of their range? Clearly anyone here will advocate raising the majority of hands they open on a standard table. We're talking about adding a few monsters to our limping range and probably folding some of the usual limping range (such as medium scs and small pairs).

This is an adjustment from standard play to capitalize on the mistake bring made at this table (people raising and calling too loosely preflop).

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FWIW, most people mis-use the limp-reraise and end up wasting the potential of their EP premiums.

On the other hand, I occasionally limp-raise premiums from EP when all the conditions are right. But when I say occasionally, I probably mean 1x every 20 hours.

Granted, I play bigger than 2/5 NL, so the guys at my stakes are usually not stupid enough for me to limp premiums in EP.

If I see someone limp/rr I make a note of how horrendous at life they are, so if you want to setup that image for a future play then go for it

Deep enough it might be okay to do with hands other than AA and Kk every now and then I guess


Limp/rr seemed like a slick move in the 5 dollar sitngo you had with your buddies in 7th grade when your only poker knowledge came from celebrity poker on bravo, but I don't really see a lot of value in doing it to scoop up the other limps and villain's squeeze

To add onto the comments of others, normally I would not limp reraise either. I've seen too many people try to get tricky with KK and AA and lose their entire stack, but in this case, the person I described was almost guaranteed to raise his straddle.

He would only raise his straddle if it had been limped around. I'm guessing that he read a poker article on taking the initiative somewhere and was applying the concept too liberally.

The bolded is not what I want to happen at all...scoop a 30 bb pot with AA

How about scenario 3...We raise to 25 and get called 5 ways. Flop comes K48. You bet 125 and guy with KJs calls. Turn x and we get it in. This an extremely common scenario and way more profitable than limp/rr and scooping a 30 bb pot.

66*6=200? you have 30bb bro. You can limp shove a super wide range in the situation you mentioned.

Good point. I forgot the straddle cuts the BB size in half.