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Originally Posted by NMIZIZ
And my point is, that a player that has a perceived and actual range of QQ+ here is AN IDIOT
I posted this hand in another thread recently. In this case, I actually had AKo, but I would have played QQ+ exactly the same way.
Cliffs: A Button straddle, SB calls, BB calls, I call AKo (just as I would AA/KK/QQ), UTG+2 $20, 5 calls, there's now $126 in the pot, the raiser has a $240 stack as do lots of others, and I limp/shove.
Something for you to ponder: Is raising AKo (or AA for that matter) and going 7way to the flop OOP going to be more EV than a minimum return of $126 (unraked preflop, FWIW) and possibly more (I end up getting it in against lol A9soooted for a raked EV of $160)? I have no idea what AA/AK/etc. makes per hand, but I'll bet you anything it isn't *remotely* close to that type of return, and I would also argue that going to a flop 7ways OOP here isn't going to generate near that type of return either, especially if your typical opponents are loose preflop but not completely moronic postflop (it's still likely EV but not nearly as much, although you are free to disagree). Admittedly we have to factor in that sometimes it limps around (unlikely at most tables nowadays although still an EV spot playing against limped dominated hands), or sometimes there's not much dead money in the pot when the action comes back to us, but all that does is lessen the overall EV somewhat and by no means make it a necessarily worse play than open raising ourselves.
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