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Old 11-03-2013, 09:30 AM   #1
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Limp to allin: advice needed

Guys,

Thinking i made a mistake,

I play online and go casinos from time to time. I am a recreational player trying to learn. This weekend I played this hand while out of town.

Casino: I join the game late. Been playing for like 15min and tight. Almost no action from my side. New to Casino but one can see they are all regulars. Do not expect much spewing. Stacks are short. Six people playing.

Then i have this hand in SB: A4o. 2 limpers and I limp along. BB checks. Money on flop USD 40

I usually don't limp but I thought silly to fold to limpers in SB.

Flop: Ac 7h 5c.

I check thinking my A is probable good. Guy in BB bets USD 30, 2 folds, i call expecting to reconsider in turn. Pot: 100 USD. I have like 160 USD left. He has me covered.

Turn 4d. Villain raises like 40 USD: hero?

I think there are no sets in his range after EP raise on flop. I am drawing dead against a straight but i can take losing to a 6-8 (6-3 wouldn't bet flop). I think he can be on a draw or be in 2 pairs. If so, would he have an A after PF check. Also, would he check a made straight on turn? (6-8).

Hero: can call and be committed in the river, fold his A4, or shove. After some think in hero shoves...

Comments appreciated...

Please, do not just say fold A4o.
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Old 11-03-2013, 09:39 AM   #2
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Re: Limp to allin: advice needed

fold A4o.



You're not drawing dead against a straight. You have roughly a 10% chance of hitting a full house.
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Old 11-03-2013, 09:45 AM   #3
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Re: Limp to allin: advice needed

Completing for 1 in the SB is fine. I'd lead on flop for $25 as most good Ace hands would have raised pf, but fold to a raise on the flop, and re-evaluate turn.

As played, on the flop, I would fold as I am beaten my most Ax hands.

As played, on the turn, I would also fold as one of the only reasonable draws just made it, and you still may be beaten by a better two pair.
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Old 11-03-2013, 09:50 AM   #4
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Re: Limp to allin: advice needed

So, you think he can only have straight?

You think he would raise a draw in EP OTF? I don't agree. I think he would check call that one. I also think he would check raise a set OTF.

Thanks, BTW.
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Old 11-03-2013, 09:51 AM   #5
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Re: Limp to allin: advice needed

It sounds like you were playing 5-10 short. You should be looking for a good hand to commit your chips with, not limping along OOP with trash.

Sorry, but just fold.

You say no sets in his range but I think he could have 55 or 77. Not saying that's his holding however it is possible.

Your post is a little confusing. You say raise but it seems like there was only betting and calling going on.
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Old 11-03-2013, 09:57 AM   #6
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Re: Limp to allin: advice needed

*just fold pre

now your in a sticky situation. I avoid those situations, but I guess in your shoes I shove there.
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Old 11-03-2013, 10:06 AM   #7
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Re: Limp to allin: advice needed

I am short as everbody else is. I usually buyin formato least 80BB. Pinche, where I said raise, meant bet. Gracias
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Old 11-03-2013, 10:15 AM   #8
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B/f flop for 2/3 pot.

Shove turn.

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Old 11-03-2013, 10:19 AM   #9
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Re: Limp to allin: advice needed

Quote:
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they are all regulars. Do not expect much spewing.
Just because they're regulars doesn't mean they are good. I would expect a lot of spewing.


Completing the SB here is a leak, fold.

AP, I don't know what to do otf, I'm never in a pot where I'm oop and playing horrible As.

AP ott I'd call ai every time.


I don't know why you don't want us to say fold A4o lol. You have no idea what to do on any street, so either keep guessing and wondering where you're at in the hand, or fold pre.
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Old 11-03-2013, 10:44 AM   #10
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Re: Limp to allin: advice needed

So if I understand correctly, you're playing 5/10 with 20BB effective stacks.

You appear to think that the turn decision is the interesting one and the pf decision worth discussing. That's actually backwards. With 20 BB and TP, you're c/f on the flop or stacking off by the river. There's no in between. The game is too shallow for you to peel off a card. Once you call, there are no more decisions to make.

Now in a short handed shallow game, the more critical decision pf. If I'm going to play A4o in the SB, I prefer to raise it pf. The game is tight and nobody has shown any strength. There's a good chance I can just win the bets without seeing a flop. If there is a flop, I can evaluate the flop and decide if a cbet will take it down. All this can be done without actually having a hand.

If I'm not going to raise, I'd rather fold. A4o needs to hit 2 pair+ to be a hand I'm happy putting my stack in. My odds of hitting that is around 20:1. While the maximum IO are 40:1, any 2 pair+ hand is likely to prevent anyone else from having much that doesn't beat me, but will stack off with. Most of the time, I can't win enough to make up for all the times I've got TPNK and losing because I'm out kicked or I miss completely.

Calling is the worst decision.

One of the things that hangs up many LLSNL players is that they play one street at a time, then make a decision on the next street. Think 2 streets ahead, and you'll be wildly ahead of your opponents.
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Old 11-03-2013, 12:42 PM   #11
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Re: Limp to allin: advice needed

This thread and hand are a mess. Confusing and terribly played. Not trying to be harsh man, but fold preflop or raise enough to shove flop.
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