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Old 06-27-2018, 12:58 AM   #1
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LETS PLAY A HAND: What would you do with AA here

This is a hand that occured to me and wanted to see how you guys would play it. I will update it every few hours and let you know what I did. I would also like your input in my decision as well.

Playing live 1/2

UTG Player (Age 65) who is some what tight and always bets hard when face cards hit the flop and turn. He has shown down 2 hands of KQo and AJo decided to raise to 7

UTG+1 player (Age 29) is a loose player who limps in alot! and calls peoples preflop raises several times. He has shown 3 straights when holding 76o, 46o & 35o. He also lost a hand with me when he had 10-6o. He calls the 7 bet

Im in the CO (Age 27). I have been playing tight and aggressive. When I have it I bet. I have also bluffed a few spots with some high cards on board.
I pick up AA What am I doing now??
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Old 06-27-2018, 01:30 AM   #2
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Re: LETS PLAY A HAND: What would you do with AA here

I assume you’re 3-betting here. Just calling is terrible.

Against these opponents I like a smaller 3-bet, like prob make it $25. Old guy is tight so will prob overfold to 3-bets; especially big ones so smaller may keep him in with some of his better hands like AK, JJ, etc. Also, limpers range as described is overly weak so we may lose him if we go too big.

Most people are pretty scared of 3-bets at these stakes in my experience so smaller typically is better unless very multi-way. This might also be a good spot for your 3-betting small range to include hands as weak as like A5s, 9Ts, against these specific players. Will likely successfully steal often and play well in position.
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Old 06-27-2018, 01:37 AM   #3
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Re: LETS PLAY A HAND: What would you do with AA here

3-bet the original oo
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Old 06-27-2018, 01:38 AM   #4
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Re: LETS PLAY A HAND: What would you do with AA here

what are your stack sizes? assuming that you are about 250 deep, make it 45.

anything less than 30 is lol.
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Old 06-27-2018, 01:38 AM   #5
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Re: LETS PLAY A HAND: What would you do with AA here

Def raising. Sizing depends on stack sizes.
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Old 06-27-2018, 01:39 AM   #6
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Re: LETS PLAY A HAND: What would you do with AA here

Knowing stack sizes would be nice.

Regardless, we 3! to $35 to get it heads up and/or deny set mining odds.
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Old 06-27-2018, 01:40 AM   #7
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Re: LETS PLAY A HAND: What would you do with AA here

Standard 3-bet to anywhere between 3x-4x the open, so anywhere between $21-$28. Since the open is relatively small, going 4x to $28 gets more money in the pot, so that's what I would do.
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Old 06-27-2018, 01:48 AM   #8
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what are your stack sizes? assuming that you are about 250 deep, make it 45.

anything less than 30 is lol.
Are we turning our hand into a bluff, as in do we want everyone to fold here? There's $17 in the pot including the blinds. In a pot limit game you'd only be able to raise by $24 to a maximum of $31.
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Old 06-27-2018, 01:50 AM   #9
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Old 06-27-2018, 03:06 AM   #10
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Re: LETS PLAY A HAND: What would you do with AA here

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Old 06-27-2018, 03:53 AM   #11
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Re: LETS PLAY A HAND: What would you do with AA here

Raise 30-40 total, fairly standard

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Old 06-27-2018, 07:31 AM   #12
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Re: LETS PLAY A HAND: What would you do with AA here

Sorry guys I forgot about the stack sizes

UTG Player had about 112
UTG+1 had 535
CO had 290
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Old 06-27-2018, 07:40 AM   #13
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Re: LETS PLAY A HAND: What would you do with AA here

I 3bet to 15

If you asked me why I did this, my honest answer would be, I didnt want to bet so big to scare anyone out but at the same time I completely forgot to make it 2.5x the pot. When I decided to raise I didnt take account how loose UTG+1 was playing and my state of mind was pretty blurry due to me being pretty tired.

Both villians called 8 and once they did I knew I mest up and I had such a sick feeling in my stomach (Dead serious). Both Villians were obviously getting good odds on there money

FLOP
6 10 9

Both villians check to me. What are you doing.
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Old 06-27-2018, 08:03 AM   #14
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Re: LETS PLAY A HAND: What would you do with AA here

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Old guy is tight so will prob overfold to 3-bets; especially big ones so smaller may keep him in with some of his better hands like AK, JJ, etc.
Tight players will usually call more 3bets because they are playing and raising stronger hands. There is a difference between nits and MUBSY players though, but in my experience once nits enter the pot they arent going anywhere. I would go with a larger sizing with AA here.
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Old 06-27-2018, 08:06 AM   #15
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Re: LETS PLAY A HAND: What would you do with AA here

Against 2 opponents on this somewhat coordinated board I am going with a larger sizing, probably $35. You still have the best hand a lot, but there are a lot of runouts that are bad for your hand, so you need to charge their draws.
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Old 06-27-2018, 08:12 AM   #16
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Re: LETS PLAY A HAND: What would you do with AA here

Preflop is a huge mistake but you already noticed that. At 1/2 there are times I would open to $15 even if nobody was in the pot. The small open in EP is usually either a big hand or trying to set a price, either way raising more is generally the correct response. I like $35.

As played, bet the flop for $30. Your goal now isn't to build a big pot, it's to get to showdown while making a profit. Bet flop/check turn/evaluate on river is what I'm would be aiming for.
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Old 06-27-2018, 09:27 AM   #17
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I reraise to 30 dollars and I never call because you'll be at sea otherwise for the rest of the hand.
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Old 06-27-2018, 10:10 AM   #18
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Preflop is a huge mistake but you already noticed that. At 1/2 there are times I would open to $15 even if nobody was in the pot. The small open in EP is usually either a big hand or trying to set a price, either way raising more is generally the correct response. I like $35.

As played, bet the flop for $30. Your goal now isn't to build a big pot, it's to get to showdown while making a profit. Bet flop/check turn/evaluate on river is what I'm would be aiming for.
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Old 06-27-2018, 11:57 AM   #19
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Re: LETS PLAY A HAND: What would you do with AA here

Grunch. Raise $35 pre.
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Old 06-27-2018, 03:21 PM   #20
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Re: LETS PLAY A HAND: What would you do with AA here

The current pot is $48

At the time I wasnt thinking about the pot and decided to make a hefty c-bet

I bet $30

UTG Player pushes all in for his last $95 or so

UTG +1 Player also pushes his remainig stack of over $500

Its back on me, what are we doing?
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Old 06-27-2018, 03:56 PM   #21
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Re: LETS PLAY A HAND: What would you do with AA here

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The current pot is $48

At the time I wasnt thinking about the pot and decided to make a hefty c-bet

I bet $30

UTG Player pushes all in for his last $95 or so

UTG +1 Player also pushes his remainig stack of over $500

Its back on me, what are we doing?
Without a solid read that UTG+1 is blowing smoke....MUCK.

The ten & nine hits so many drawing hands strong & the 6 completes several, but he probably has T9 or a set. If he shoves with QJs, T9s [didn't play offsuit] 87s or a set, you have 20% equity. Add in T8s & T7s & you have about 31% equity. Add 98s & 97s & you have about 37.5% equity. Now if all those marginal hands are played off-suit & he shoves, it's 40%+

So, I've got to fall in love with my read, because a bad fold is sometimes better, in the long-term, than a bad call.

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Old 06-27-2018, 03:57 PM   #22
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Re: LETS PLAY A HAND: What would you do with AA here

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The current pot is $48

At the time I wasnt thinking about the pot and decided to make a hefty c-bet

I bet $30

UTG Player pushes all in for his last $95 or so

UTG +1 Player also pushes his remainig stack of over $500

Its back on me, what are we doing?
Raise to $35 pre, c-bet 3/4 pot OTF, now fold and blame yourself for giving them a good price to suck out on you. No one is GII for that much unless they can beat an overpair.

3-bets should be around 3-4x the initial raise, +1x per caller in between you and the initial raiser, +1x if you are out of position. If you watch high-stakes cash game players, they go even bigger to extract max value from their premium hands and deny proper odds to lower pairs and other cracking hands.

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Old 06-27-2018, 05:18 PM   #23
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Re: LETS PLAY A HAND: What would you do with AA here

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The current pot is $48

At the time I wasnt thinking about the pot and decided to make a hefty c-bet

I bet $30

UTG Player pushes all in for his last $95 or so

UTG +1 Player also pushes his remainig stack of over $500

Its back on me, what are we doing?
Turbomuck and fistbump UTG+1 for playing his set/straight face up. Last time I was in this situation, I was holding KK and flop came similar to this. I c-bet, someone raises, another person shoves, I fold, other person calls. Stacks were a little deeper though.

Vs flip over flopped set vs flopped straight. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case here, even with a short stack involved.
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Old 06-27-2018, 07:10 PM   #24
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Re: LETS PLAY A HAND: What would you do with AA here

Snap call. Pre and flop were played poorly.
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Old 06-27-2018, 07:39 PM   #25
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After two shoves you have to bail.

It will be annoying if you see you had the best hand on the river and that is possible here. If your preflop mistake tricked somebody into over playing AT/JT type hand you could be well ahead. But more likely if you are ahead you are likely facing a straight draw that has decent equity, if you are behind you are facing a straight or set and drawing super thin already. Once UTG+1 shoves for that much it isn't worth finding out.
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