1/3 - New table, about an hour in, slow game, waiting for change.

V1 (400) 40s, euro, I know he is semi-reg but minimal history w hero. In hour at table has routinely limp-c pre EP and opened for 12 Co+ with standard frequency. One orbit earlier V limp-3!-called a small shove w KK. Improved to beat AA. Nothing out of line pre or post but has been active relative to the game, not many SDs.

V2 (200)- tight passive fit/fold 50s rec type.

Hero (covers) - 30s, relatively active for table but nothing irregular w routine action being limp-call-ck-fold - opening 15-20. V likely aware of my gameplan, but also hasn't seen me SD much.

Granted this spot is common and gameflow / V dependent, but is feeling less marginal and more leaky of late as Avg Vs improve.

V1 limp, Hero 20 HJ AsAd, V2 BTN call, V1 quick call.

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V1 ck, Hero 30 in tempo, V2 quick fold, V1 semi tank ck-r "sixty-five"

Think my sizing reasons are pretty straightforward - seems more value in a bet 3handed w FD on board and Ad in hand. I had call>fold>raise>assault V1.

Is folding a leak, is calling a leak? Deep enough to peel? Ever any 3! for value here? AA drops down on this flop, but still sits in the middle of cbet range vs these two...? When peeling just calling down unimproved? Easy fold for 1/3? Adding spoiler for rest of hand but will bias results.

calling flop is fine. If he was a tight OMC nit, I would fold.

Check flop.

Without a read on how villain is playing in this sort of situation your line looks fine. Your hand is too good to give up to villain's first aggressive action. When villain shoves your hand is reduced to a bluff catcher.

If villain is really nitty tight or is never bluffing with the small raise you can fold flop. If villain is an aggro bluffer you need to call this off a some of the time.

Why? You get a ton of value from all PPs who will peel one hoping you have lolAK

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Yes, but I believe I can get more value OTT and OTR (2 streets) if I check back OTF.
I am also not over the moon with this particular flop, and if I check OTF I can see what one villain does OTT, and what the other Villain behind me does OTF for free.

A flop bet will get them attached to the hand and it will bloat the pot so your turn and river bets could be larger. This looks like a b/f all the way situation imo

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For me, our flop play all comes down to who we feel committed against and who we feel comfortable folding to if we don't feel committed.

SPR / raise size wise we should probably feel committed against the OMC (although fit/foldys committing on this board is kinda gross too), but the real problem is against the Villain. Do we feel comfortable committing versus him? We gave him 21+ implied odds preflop; we typically shouldn't feel comfortable committing given those sorts of implied odds.

And we also have to ask ourselves if we feel comfortable folding to a raise. Against the fit/foldy, perhaps we do (even given the SPR). But it sounds like we definitely don't feel comfortable folding to the Villain, and yet at the same time we don't want to commit against him either.

So with all this in mind, I'd simply check the flop. Yeah, there's a flush draw, but big deal; it's pretty unlikely that one of these guys has that flush draw plus hits it. Other than that, we're pretty much WA/WB; decent chance both opponents are drawing to 2 outs at most. We're happy not getting ourselves into a gross situation facing a check/raise from the Villain and can setup a situation where we'll most likely just get in 2 streets of betting (either bluffcatching or betting ourselves) where we don't have to commit for stacks against the Villain.

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You are right that the decision is on the flop. You need to decide if you are ahead or behind when he raises. The reason is the vast majority of the time the villain is going to bet the turn. With the pot around 200 and the effective stacks 280, you're left putting most of your money in (or all). If you're not willing to do this, you should fold to the raise. If you call, you need to be prepared to put in your stack.

Preflop raise of 20 leaves Villain's range fairly wide.

Wide enough to include a J.

I like a larger preflop raise.

Might be the same decision now though.

Villain could have pockets and expect this flop to miss us.

Absent any reads I'd call it down each street.

I like your flop play. People will peel with so much here because of the whole "I put you on AK"

His flop check/min raise is scary, and probably means he's either "finding out where he's at" with 99 or something, or he has a jack. When he jams the turn it narrows his range to almost only hands with jacks, I think. Once in awhile he'll turn over a random bluff, or something like TT/QQ, and that's fine. Of course from a game theoretic point of view this is extremely exploitable, but this is live poker we're talking about and this is a standard fold unless you can use live reads to sense _serious_ weakness.