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Leading with against against a flush read looking for paired board. Leading with against against a flush read looking for paired board.

09-30-2015 , 07:54 PM
1/2 NLHE Winstar Casino.

V1 is middle aged African American man who has been bluffing with air all night but sucking out.

V2 just sat down but seems to be pretty tight.

Hero is 19 y/o white male in T-shirt and shorts. Very talkative and probably coming off as a bit of a LAG.

Effective stack sizes:
Hero: about $450
V1: $380
V2: about $420
(We're the three biggest stacks at the table)

Limps to V1 in CO who raises to $12.

Hero calls $11 in SB with 9Leading with against against a flush read looking for paired board. 9Leading with against against a flush read looking for paired board..

V2 calls from BB and one other player calls from UTG+1.

Flop: 9Leading with against against a flush read looking for paired board. 8Leading with against against a flush read looking for paired board. 3Leading with against against a flush read looking for paired board. ($50)

Hero leads out for $25. BB calls, UTG+1 folds, CO calls.

Turn: 6Leading with against against a flush read looking for paired board. ($125)

Hero bets $30. BB and CO call.

River: 3Leading with against against a flush read looking for paired board. ($215)

Hero bets $100, BB calls, CO shoves for about $200 more.
Hero shoves covering V1 by $70 and covering V2 by $30. BB folds.

My two main concerns with this hand:

Was it wise to lead the turn when I was confident someone had just made their flush?

Should I have just called the all in hoping to induce a call from the BB?
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09-30-2015 , 07:57 PM
Excuse my mistake in the title, should be: "Leading with top set against flush read hoping for paired board" I can't figure out how to edit it.
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09-30-2015 , 08:48 PM
meh I think I prefer c/c turn here; betting here can open us up to a large turn raise by either CO or BB and put us into a sub-optimal situation. Plus a small % of the time by checking here, V1 might make a stab here with air trying to represent a flush. To answer your second question, no definitely shove here. If BB was going to call CO's shove, he is most likely not going to fold for just $70 more from you and we lose that $70 in extra value.
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09-30-2015 , 10:25 PM
I think you could check/call turn or bet more (~$75). You are still likely ahead of both Vs. If either are still on a flush draw, you are giving them too high odds to continue. If they made the flush on the turn, would guess V1 would go into "trap mode" and just call. As played, agree with river bet and shove.
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09-30-2015 , 10:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by E Mo
Was it wise to lead the turn when I was confident someone had just made their flush?
Not sure how you know they have a better hand than you, but since you do, why bet? I guess you are trying to set a price, but you've made it pretty gross if villain now pots it, which is what I'd do with a made flush.

Quote:
Originally Posted by E Mo
Should I have just called the all in hoping to induce a call from the BB?
Ship, make money.
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10-01-2015 , 06:55 AM
Seems there consensus is a c/c on the turn. Probably the best plan in case someone shoves their made flush. Thanks for the feed back.
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10-01-2015 , 07:29 PM
Results: V1 and V2 both had flushes. V1 had the nut flush. I won the pot with the boat.
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10-01-2015 , 09:16 PM
I'll bet the flush card if it's more likely I get called by someone who picked up a flush draw, than get snapped off by someone who made their flush. More people in the hand, the less MUBsy it is to worry about getting flushed, especially if at least one is acting like he's on a draw. So, not here.
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