1/2 live. Average stack is about 200 and hero covers.

Older passive guy opens to 8 UTG. Two loose passive players call, one of whom is there small blind. I flat in the BB with 6d6h.

Older passive guy previously called my 3 bet and check raised me on J84 all clubs and then folded when I shoved for not a ton more.

Flop:356 two clubs.

Pot:32

Checks to hero.

Reasons to lead:
We aren't super deep so I can get good value and maybe stacks on a bricked runout going bet bet bet.

The sb is very stationy and the other two are passive and will often check their draws.

I often expect the pfr to raise a small flop bet from me with his overpairs but potentially fold to a check raise given or prior history.

Reasons to check raise:

The pfr is going to continue on this board with all his overpairs which is a decent amount of his UTG range.

Pfr or the other villain might stab with a bluff but are less likely to raise as a bluff.

If my check raise gets called I'm getting stacks in on most turns.

Check call flop

I would lead $25. Easy to get stacks in with a b/b/b line, $25 into $32, $60 into $82 (assuming 1 caller) then shove for 1/2 pot on river.

I don't like check raising here. This is a scary board for the PFR so IMO there's a higher than average chance this checks through.

I think you also skipped the best reason to x/r - relative postion. If PFR bets, you get to see how everyone reacts. If he gets one or two calls you can raise, and you can flat if it folds to you. I'd still lead though.

Yeah, I like bet/bet/bet. One of the things I like about this approach is that V can find himself accidentally committed. To V, calling $25 here with an overpair seems pretty reasonable. If things go well, maybe we'll even get another caller.

Then $60 on $82 seems pretty reasonable. It's not that big a bet and maybe you'll shut down on the river if he calls.

Then $103 on the river on $200 is giving him 3:1 and you might have an underpair or even just a bluff.

If we check, V gets to set the bet size and he might well bet less than we would. That can make the arithmetic on later rounds a bit less good. If we x/r, we've taking a very strong line. x/r, shove is even stronger.

If V raises enough, I might consider checking the turn (as long as we can comfortably get stacks in on the river).

I'm comfortable with leading here. You've described them as passive, so help'em out a bit.

Just fire away

I agree that leading is the best option and it's what I did. I got two callers on the flop, one on an 8 turn and one on a 2 river. I ended up with the winning hand.

I donk at a near 0% clip and id say this is a pretty good spot to donk assuming your reads are correct, but I personally would probably check because i think check vs bet is pretty marginal and checking would be better for balance for me.

As you noted, overpairs probably bet here, and if youre facing AA, you can bet and he can call down or raise doenst much matter it likely all goes in the middle. however 77-JJ or so most of the deck screws your value. I think if you CR, even CRAI old passive guy cant lay down his 88 and you get stacks. The other advantage is if old passive guy bets, even a small amount like 15, the draws will call, and committ themselves when you raise and get a caller (and ship turn if you arent already all in)

if you donk, this is the time to donk, but you should be betting big, like 35-40 on flop and ship turn. not getting it in on the turn gives free IO to the draws.

I think I'm going to just lead in this spot most of the time. You'd said that basically all of the players in this pot are passive, so I don't expect them to be stabbing at too many pots even with position.
It's also a pretty wet board, so you can definitely charge some draws.

I think my plan for this would be to lead for about 25, and evaluate any raises.

Passive players won't bet for us, have to lead here.

If we lead and it checks through, everyone else gets a free card.

Infinite odds, they can't make any mistakes.

Gotta bet our own hands at 1/2

If they all fold we weren't going to win much more anyhow.