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05-13-2013 , 04:13 PM

PizznFiddys

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...leaks-1331525/

Villian in this hand is fish old man 2 in the above thread.

After a short walk I rebought for 300. I sat back down and after a few hands I am utg+1 and get dealt JJ. UTG limps I make it 22 MP (old man fish) calls. Everyone including limper fold. Villain has about 240 behind I cover.

Flop 944hhs

hero?

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05-13-2013 , 04:16 PM

wowjosh

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bet 30

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05-13-2013 , 04:29 PM

Jmrode67

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Originally Posted by wowjosh

bet 30

Pretty much maybe even go bigger $35 or so

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05-13-2013 , 04:33 PM

fogodchao

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30-35. continuing ott and otr depending on the run out

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05-13-2013 , 04:41 PM

QuadJ

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Pot looks to be around $50 on flop, so $30/$35 looks good here on a fairly dry flop. The turn depends on what you know about villain's play and what the turn card is. Given the very limited information here, he looks like a flush chaser, and I would plan on betting any non-heart turn.

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05-13-2013 , 04:54 PM

PizznFiddys

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Yeah only information I had at this point was that he would call raises pre with crap and chase draws.

Hero makes it 25. I didn't want to chase fish off and wanted to give him a chance to spazz. I really expected him to either fold or call and was surprised when villain min-raised to 50.

Hero?

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05-13-2013 , 05:16 PM

Nocturnal_Joker

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The Min-raise is either very strong or very weak....Your bet of 25 otf may have looked weak to Villain($35 sounds better) so he could think he can get you off your hand....you mentioned that its a loose table, 2 hearts on the board, and Villain previously called close to $60 preflop in your other hand with 67...so it may be possible he has something like A4 here....i just call his min-raise and reevaluate on the turn with us being 1st to act.

Any Non-heart turn, I bet and likely fold to a big raise/shove

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05-13-2013 , 06:36 PM

QuadJ

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You bet small to induce a spazz bet, you can't fold to the minraise unless you have history that says he only minraises very strong. I call the minraise, bet any non-heart turn but slow down if he calls that and fold if he shoves over the top.

As a general point, don't bet small to induce spazz bets unless you have enough history with villain to have a handle on his range or your hand is very strong. Too many situations like this arise, where your flying blind and have to bet into villain. An aggressive spazz can easily shove over your turn bet with a draw, but he does the same thing with a 4 and your left guessing.

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05-13-2013 , 07:26 PM

spikeraw22

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I would have made it $35-40 cbet. Make him pay for his hearts. He'll call with a 9 anyway.

What's the plan with calling the min raise? Folding hearts? What about over cards? Has he been known to raise draws before? Sorry if I missed these things.

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05-13-2013 , 08:15 PM

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Andnoel

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Bet pot size- about $40 for value.

Commit yourself to the pot n get ur stack in ASAP.

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05-14-2013 , 11:18 AM

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PizznFiddys

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I should have made it 35-40 I agree.

How gross is a shove over his min raise? At the time I was thinking I would not know what to do if I call and AKQ10 come on turn or the flush comes in. And he calls big bets on the come obviously from the last hand. So getting it in best here seems possible. Anyone think shoving is a good option?

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05-14-2013 , 11:25 AM

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peckx063

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Would he call a shove with a 9 in his hand?

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05-14-2013 , 11:30 AM

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jambre

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Originally Posted by PizznFiddys

Bet small not to scare them off or to make them spazz, then shove over their min-raise? Your plan is conflicting with itself.
Call and get it in on nice turns.

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05-14-2013 , 11:35 AM

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gobbledygeek

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Very nice iso raise sizing preflop, imo, which sets up a brain dead postflop commitment play on non scary boards. Our SPR is just over 4, so easy stack off territory on this board. I pot the flop to shove the turn. If he shows up with a better hand, that's poker.

GcluelessNLnoobG

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05-14-2013 , 11:39 AM

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gobbledygeek

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Originally Posted by Andnoel

Bet pot size- about $40 for value.

Commit yourself to the pot n get ur stack in ASAP.

+1

With this SPR, and the fact there is a flush draw, plus the fact we don't want to give the villain 3 chances at seeing another overcard come (which can scare him off or kill our hand), I'm for getting the stacks in ASAP. So bet larger in order to get this over with by the turn, instead of smaller and dragging this out over 3 streets.

GcluelessNLnoobG

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05-14-2013 , 11:44 AM

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gobbledygeek

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If we were in position, I might lean towards calling the minraise and then shoving the turn (gives him a chance to bluff again on the turn, or bet a weak hand he might fold to a flop shove).

OOP, I probably just shove now on the flop. If we just call, we don't want to check the turn to give a free card / not play for stacks, and since we can't risk letting it check thru, we'd have to donk. But we really want to get stacks in by the turn, so we'd need to overbet shove (unlike if we were in position where it would just be a normal raise shove if he led out again).

GshovingtheflopG

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05-14-2013 , 01:48 PM

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PizznFiddys

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After loosing the previous hand I admit I was tilted. I figured villain knew this as it was probably obvious to the whole table. OTF when villain raised I felt he was trying to get me off what he probably felt was a standard cbet. His range I felt could be A9 55-10's AJ+ or any flush draw. I also felt he would call with lots of these hands.

Hero shoves. Villain pretty much snap shoves and turns AA. Bad play? Cooler?

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05-14-2013 , 02:40 PM

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QuadJ

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Cooler mostly with two overpairs on the flop, but your small bet on the flop made it inevitable that you stack off here. If you had bet more normally you might have been able to get away from it when he called turn or bet into you on river.

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05-14-2013 , 02:43 PM

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gobbledygeek

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Originally Posted by PizznFiddys

I think we're destined to lose 80bb stacks here when he flats the big raise preflop and we flop an overpair. Cooler, imo.

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