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Hero ($285) 99 Btn
Villain (640) UTG

V calls

folds to hero

Hero bets $15

blinds fold V calls

Flop ($34)

852

V bets 20, Hero pops to 75, v flats

Turn

Q

V shoves


???

reads?

donk bets are generally pretty weak hands, so i dont like a big raise on the flop. you're better off min-raising for value.

need reads to determine whether to call or fold turn.

Tough spot, but calling with hands like this really depend on what you know about villain. He could be shoving here with any kind of flush draw or combo draw, in spots like these where I am unsure about villain (if this is my first hand against them) I'm probably folding

If the V is an agg player, we should Snap call and see if the river gives him the flush.
I don't think he is on an OESD, probably he is shoving there with an overcard and a fd.
If he had a big hand he would shove on the flop.

Flat the flop and play in position. Raise/calling is spew, raise/folding is spew.

If he's actually LAG, just keep calling in position depending on run out. He's willing to play a very wide range of hands against you, why would you want to raise and eliminate his weaker hands.

I have no idea what's happening in this hand.

I think raising the turn is far from spew, we should be looking to charge his draws the max . We don't want to let him dictate the action. It really seems like his flop lead is an attempt to take control of the pot. Also the board is only going to get worse for 99. I like getting this in on the turn because his hand looks so much like a draw as opposed to a huge hand. I suppose it's very possible your beat but go with your read/gut. If you feel he is making a move snap it off.

If you know or have seen that he is capable of doing this with big draws your call becomes easier. This just depends though, if you had V covered I could advocate a just call on the flop, but with 100 bb I am going with my gut and getting the money in.

Gross.

Call the flop.

As played, most likely folding the shove.

IMHO calling UTG he has QJ+ or TT+ most of the time.

The 15 pre is fine.

You made it expensive OTF.

He called.

You're beat.

JMO.

FYP.

Call, AINEC

V definitely played the hand pretty goofy. Not sure why he didn't just get it in on the flop with 2 pair, sets, or big draws if he was going to shove the turn. With no other reads, V has to put you on an overpair. After you showed such strength on the flop, it would be hard for him to think he could get you to fold a big pair. I'd fold. His shove looks like a made hand despite it's awkwardness.

dont raise flop.

Now call.

Unfortunately, this hand history is like the other 2 I've seen you produce in the last day. There's a label of how the villain plays which doesn't match how the villain played the hand. No description of how you play or how someone would perceive you would play. You create a situation where most all weaker hands will fold and only hands that beat you would continue. Then the villain decides to play for stacks with you holding a below average hand.

As for this hand, you're being offered 2:1 to call. Those that are advocating a call are those taking you at your word that this is a LAG fish, someone who is continually putting stacks in with draws or even air. If that's the case, call. Against the vast majority of villains in LLSNL, it is an easy fold.

Please read the stickies about how to make a thread and what to put in it. You'll get far more value out of the responses and won't end up like a lot of people saying, "those guys on 2+2 don't know anything. I asked for advice, tried it, and lost a lot of money."

Sooo very true.

We need table dynamics and reads on V. This post is useless

I will from now on try to make more of an effort in my postings. I appreciate letting me know how to fix it and will do so!

In this instance I put him on A8. He had showed weakness on his flop call and sounded unsure of his all in. I snap called and he flipped over an 87.

He also told me and another player on smoke break that he come in with $500 just to see what will happens

He also told me and another player on smoke break that he come in with $500 just to see what will happens

I never let my stack drop below $295 if $300 is the maximum BI. Top off stack after every hand, imo.

I'm cool with raising since this doesn't look like it is shaping up to be a multiway pot where we can setmine. I probably raise a little more just to get all that much more money in the pot / a little more likely we guarantee HU, but whatever.

Any reads on Villain? If he's bluffy / aggro, I would check back this flop. I really just want to get to showdown without playing for stacks, and hate my life if I get check/raised. Against a totally ABC straightforward player, I'm cool with bet/folding.

Ha, just noticed Villain donked. Why did we raise? Are we expecting him to call the raise AND call off future bets with a worse hand? Keep in mind that if he's on a draw, he's already offered himself a fairly meh price. I would just flat the donk and evaluate what happens on the turn. A raise will likely fold out worse and own ourselves against better; much better to just show weakness and flat, imo, and evaluate turn in position.

As played, I would probably fold the turn. He donked/called the flop and then donked the turn. Really looks like a made hand afraid of giving a free card for a draw.

Curious, what was our plan if he checked? We only have about a PSB left. Our flop raise basically got us on our way to shoving the turn, which means we were on our way for playing for 95bb stacks with a small overpair in a SPR on the flop of ~8, which is a gross plan, imo.

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