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KTs from EP vs bad reg KTs from EP vs bad reg

07-20-2021 , 07:15 PM
1/2 NL, I think I know what I did wrong but just want advice.

Hero, hasn't played much, not sure of image. UTG with KT has about 400$ effective with V.

V, just sat down awhile ago, doesn't remember H but H knows his game a little. Has seen him a few times but not a lot. 30 year old white guy with headphones on that stares at his cellphone the entire time. Plays relatively few hands (VPIP/OPEN/3! of about 17/10/3 so playing about 1.5 hands per orbit and in 17 hands played 7 are limps or calls, 7 are straight opens and 3 are 3bets). H has seen V (in two separate sessions) lose a bad hand, then get turbo tilted and blast off in a 3! pre-bet flop-bet turn-AI river line and lose when getting called down by any pair. Other players seem to know this about V and just let him blast off. V hates showing his hand even when called and always angles/fishes for info.

OTTH:

H opens 10$ UTG with KTs, V 3-bets from the BTN to 35$, H just calls OOP, all others fold to the 10$.

Flop 70$ - QJ6

H checks, V bets 40$, H calls

Turn 150$ - 5

H checks - V bets 60$, H calls leaving 265$ behind.

River 270$ - 3

V bets 85$, Hero?

Pre I guess can be a 4! or fold spot. Flop is a check raise I think against a V like this whereas against a V that can never be bluffing its a call/fold in hindsight but getting 110:40 is a little worse than 3:1 so like 27% equity is needed which means I have the straight odds to call.

Last edited by Stupidbanana; 07-20-2021 at 07:41 PM. Reason: forgot river
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07-20-2021 , 07:38 PM
Was the riv a K or something?

Not calling hand played fine.
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07-20-2021 , 08:03 PM
Snap fold pre. Easy fold river?..
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07-20-2021 , 08:04 PM
just bad all around.
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07-20-2021 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by javi
just bad all around.
I mean it’s 1/2 he not folding pre and likely has no FE post. Stacks the guy probably always when he connects…. It’s not a good hand but it’s just always going down this way imo.
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07-20-2021 , 08:44 PM
Pre is fine. You can fold too tho. 4 betting seems really bad at this level because 3betting ranges are super tight and mostly nutted

Post flop all seems fine. I wouldn't bluff the river because we block his draws and can't rep anything

If you end up saying you shoved and he folded I would suggest you post hands that you are trying to get advice on and not ones that you want people to validate certain plays you made
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07-20-2021 , 10:10 PM
You say villain is a huge nit only 3betting 3% which is JJ-AA and AK and you think you want to 4b KTs utg vs btn against this player? He bet/bet/bet and now you consider a jam with no fold equity when he only has 180 left? What?? Am I missing something?
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07-21-2021 , 11:49 AM
Err okay people arent really understanding. To those who say fold pre, no one is 3 betting pre at this table hardly ever. Most likely I'll get called in six places for 10$ and go multiway fishing. When everyone folded to BTN that was really unusual.

Results:
Spoiler:
H folds, V shows T7o
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07-21-2021 , 03:30 PM
I think the advice is to fold pre to the 3 bet, not to open fold (although open fold isn’t terrible UTG)
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07-21-2021 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Stupidbanana
Err okay people arent really understanding. To those who say fold pre, no one is 3 betting pre at this table hardly ever. Most likely I'll get called in six places for 10$ and go multiway fishing. When everyone folded to BTN that was really unusual.

Results:
Spoiler:
H folds, V shows T7o
So what on the Results? Other than you need to adjust your assesment of ranges.
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07-21-2021 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Stupidbanana
Err okay people arent really understanding. To those who say fold pre, no one is 3 betting pre at this table hardly ever. Most likely I'll get called in six places for 10$ and go multiway fishing. When everyone folded to BTN that was really unusual.

Results:
Spoiler:
H folds, V shows T7o
It doesnt matter what he had. You are just results oriented. Playing poker you always have limited info and always adjust with the new info you get. So your first estimation of villain only 3betting 3% was wrong->adjust. But when you think he only 3b 3% fold pre KTs UTGvBTN is obvious and fold otr easy.
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07-21-2021 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Stupidbanana
Err okay people arent really understanding. To those who say fold pre, no one is 3 betting pre at this table hardly ever. Most likely I'll get called in six places for 10$ and go multiway fishing. When everyone folded to BTN that was really unusual.

Results:
Spoiler:
H folds, V shows T7o
So let me understand this. There's virtually no 3-betting in this game, so when someone now 3-bets, you think calling OOP with KTs is a good idea? No disrespect, but there seems to be a lot of muddled thinking going on, which makes me think you should get back to basics. I'd reccomend the Course by Ed Miller.
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07-22-2021 , 06:11 AM
There's a huge difference between playing KTs in position to a wide range vs. playing to a 3% range which dominates it OOP. I'd rather call 76s than KTs here.
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