I second raising KTo over one limper in the CO is super standard. Unless we're a huge nit.

I'd fold to 3-bet though unless villain is a really weak and straightforward player. We have decent enough equity to call but realizing this equity will be difficult on most flops. Even on KT8 how good do we feel stacking off against TT+, AQ+? That said I'm calling against some exceptionally weak players who will play 3-bet pots straightforwardly. We have position and if V is not aggressive enough can often steal the pot.

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yeah, .. I'm a huge big winning nit. You know, ...., indeed huge. That's why I hustle in this game to win sometime small and sometime huge. Why else I would have any incentive to get involved with trash if only the none trash hands have any value in specific situations? - I'm a nit because I'm playing every day here in Vegas and if you play every day you cannot afford to play like a sucker every hand that looks it may make a str8 or some little flush like most sucker. We, the Vegas locals are all nits that get paid by you the tourists coming to play NL once per year and even that with great financial sacrifice. ... haha.. So, we play like 2500 hours of live NL per year surrounded by amateurs with fresh mint money. Actually, from my little house I'm at walk distance to "The V" casino, I don't even need to use my car to get there. Isn't that nice? Ummm?

Am opening here all day long over 1 limper in the CO.
But against unknown am folding and not thinking too much into it.

Things to think about when you get 3b
Is he doing it with worst
If you miss flop, what is the plan
If we hit flop, what is the plan

Against an unknown it is going to be hard to figure out what to do and this hand in general is going to be hard to play even if we have position
We are rarely going to flop well and even then are not really happy.
While you are getting a ok price this small mistake of thinking you have to call for pot odds will magnifying on the flop and turn etc


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well, it´s the only proper way to think about it...

Wasn't even addressing you, but thanks for the story.

Why is it that every thread on here degenerates into an argument with outdonked about his ridiculous statements. Everyone knows opening kto in the cut off is pretty Standard, for most tag/lag players..... It's pretty close to the bottom of our (unbalanced) range here, but it's a fine open.

Here is an image of how people go for rabbit hunting playing Standard,

The problem is that what everyone knows about Standard it's not good enough. That's the problem, you know,.. what most people think they know, they actually know just enough to lose. Just taking a seat at the table will cost each player on average $11-12/hour plus $1 each pot tip that another $30/hour for a grand total of $142 coming out every hour. In eight hours like a full day shift play that counts for $1,136 money gone down the hole. But obviously 95% of people trying to play this complex game don't know better and in the hope of trying to flop using their superior flopping skills (LOL). In suckers mind the KTo can flop a str8, trips like TT3 .. etc.. that's why they play trash according to their Standard. .. Well, keep playing the little standard and you'll be having a great future.

side Note: Let me ask you a little detail: What would be the damage to your EV if you absolutely refuse to open/play KTo in C/O? How that will impact your bottom line?
Do you even know the answer to this question? - I bet you my new hat that you don't ..!

Never folding to this weak sized 3b

Never folding KTo? .. to a 3bet

KT, above all other trash hands, has been awarded the title of "sucker's hand." If you're holding this hand, there are significantly more boards that will give you the second nuts or a bad beat than boards that will win you the pot. If you don't flop Broadway, you're in a rough situation.

Flopping TP of kings will almost certainly pit you against another King with a higher kicker. Flopping a pair of tens is rarely the TP, and if it's not, you have straights to look out for.

Flopping 2P again puts you at risk against a straight, and you're going to run into more two pair-versus-sets scenarios with this hand, because people are playing all the pocket tens and pocket kings.

Another words, you are in a great shape

this this and this.

short handed, heads up, in position, 200 BB deep, if you are playing aggressively, you should not be folding any two cards after V 3! you so light.

Granted, KTo is a rag awful hand that plays as bad a A6o. If you are playing it for value, you are trying to make top pair and have it hold up. But really, you should be taking advantage of your position and looking for weakness from your V in order to bluff him off of whatever he might have. (depending on your table image)

Sorry, fish like yourself should fold cause you'll **** up post

So, you say we both are fish? ... ummmm... ?

Just look at your post of half sentence each, without substance or any intelligent relevance to the point of trash hands we're talking about (KTo). But still I will try hard to help you and this is not that I have any consideration for yourself but I want to spare your family from financial hardship you may expose them due to your gambling problems.

When making hand selections pre-flop, the first mistake you make is to think about all the ways the flop can give you a monster. So, you'll play KTo because that hand is part of a potential straight or you can flop a King and a Ten or two Tens. Then, when the flop disappoints you which it usually does, you basically give up.There is a big problem with trying to hit the flop. Since lots of two card combos can make a big hand on the flop, suckers play too many hands pre (sounds familiar?). Some hands hit more flops than others but the sucker doesn’t know specifically what hands can do that. What you know from your little poker book is that what the book tells you to do from different positions but the secret of the trade is to know exactly what hands flop the most nut or near nut hands. There,..., the money are hidden. There’s no poker book on the market today that tells you with precision what hands flop the most nuts or as I said the near nuts hands.

Suitedness is so important in NL that, unsuited hands are unplayable in this game with the exception of AK/AQ. So, pay attention what I'm saying and spare your family of unpaid bills.

I second that outdonked is a nit-fish.....I would say always welcome in my games, but he probably barely ever plays a hand......

It is just plain ******ed to suggest that opening kto from the Co is always going to be -eV or indeed always +eV.... Sometimes vs an opening limp in the Co I would fold....sometimes vs an opening raise I will 3! From the Co.... Sometimes I'll just limp in, it is all complettly situational.
From the information provided by op in a five handed game this is a clear open for almost everyone.....we could do with gobbledygeek weighing in on his thoughts here as he is the last word of nitty play, but for almost all players, including big winners, moderate winners and losers, kto is an easy open.