Jeez such a weird spot. Flatting was my initial thought but I realized V1 can re-open the betting. Clicking it back to fold to a shove or at least being OOP and in the dark doesn't seem optimal either.

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Constantly straddling, never raising. Now he raises? I would prefer folding pre.

Ya, sorry.

He opens alot of pots. C-bet all pots he opens. Tends to bet rather small. He is normally oop, and plays turn and river passively. c-betting 12 into $60 pots

On other hand. His Vpip is huge. He been calling all my pfr, along with everyone else's. Then plays passive post flop.

Hard to articulate. But I wouldn't call his 100% c bet range as aggressive. Due to his sizings.

Ya, hoping someone can shine some light on situation.

Folding pre is only easy answer. Being laggy I get in these spots too often.

Can we flat and fold profitably here?

Given he generally will be passive on the turn and river, I'd be inclined call because there is a good enough chance we will get to the river by checking it down. but will he make small bets into pots with his entire range? Or will it signify we are beaten?

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Definitely making small bets with whole range. Maybe slightly bigger with stronger hands. Him betting $30 on this flop is obviously small compared to pot size. But may be viewed as big to him (I just don't know).

With $210 in pot. Calling $68 and folding to a reraise. Is that a big mistake?

Is folding best hand a huge mistake in this spot?

Since presumably our V will tell us when we're beat why not call flop and lead most turns?

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Getting 3:1.

I like that plan. If we have best hand here. I think it's very probable, we can get to show down from here. We only need to be correct 25% of time to break even.

Flop k-7-4 rainbow $110

V1 bets $30
V2 raises to $68 all in

Hero tanks and calls.
-pot odds 3:1
-think V1 will turn his hand face up here
-don't believe V1 will raise as a bluff after I flat
-V1 would most definitely raise AA. and AK here (we fold)
-highly unlikely we all have a K. -Can't see V2 jamming with a 7. So he is Heavely weighted to a "K" or set (still think we crush his range)

V1:Flats

Turn:$35 ish
Kh-7s-4d-5d

Hero believes he is ahead. Low cards are not in V1 range.
V1 most likely raises all sets AK, AA on flop.

However I don't think he stacks off with QQ here. Leaving us with only suited "k".

Decide to check and bet river for value.

V1 bets $100, after tanking.

Hero?

The bet honestly surprised me. As I thought he turned his hand straight up on flop. But me checking shows weakness. As he would never expect me to play Top pair passively.

Tank bet on the turn seems like 99-QQ, TPMK. I think MP or draws like Axdd check back turn. So I would call and then lead most rivers for small for thin value/blocker bet. Obv fold to any raise. Check calling a small river bet is ok if we expect him to bet TPMK, but gives him option to check down worse hands.

I think we took this hand too far already so folding to turn bet.

Why we folding?
What is his range here for betting.

What hand bets turn after flatting flop?

i will limp KQs OOP 100% of the time with this dynamics, but will fold if somebody raises big with a straddle... we aint have 300BB anymore because of the straddle!

FOLD but it ain't gonna be a good PAHWM so CALL and proceed with caution because sometimes flopping a pair with KQ is really really bad against somebody's range who can easily have AQ+/QQ+

Turn $315
K-7-4d-5d

V1 bets $100
Hero calls?

-just think we beat majority of his range
-once again I hate all 3 options

Calling> raising> folding

River $515
K-7-4-5-10x
Hero checks?
Have roughly $400 effective

What exactly do you think that his range is here?

Check/fold.

Now I remember why I never enter these PAHWM threads....everyone I have ever looked at is a trivial fold preflop. Villain just 5.5x raised a 3x straddle and we are calling OOP with a reverse implied odds hand?!?! This is just terrible.

5% Spazz

KQ, K-Js, K-10s, QQ,
Never AA, KK.. Rarely AK, Rarely diamond draw.
Rarely JJ, 10/10.
Sets never. He would be jamming to get it over.

Think we are ahead more often than behind. His line isn't super strong. Looks scared to commit.

Don't think he fires another bullet on river. Without KK or AA.

My plan was to call turn. Fold river to 3rd barrel. Would have folded to half size bet on turn also.

Is my range off in this spot?

Yes not to be a jerk but I think your range is way off the mark, you are beating KJs and total air and while his line doesn't scream AA or KK or AK they are definitely a bigger part of his range vs what you beat, really doubt he's turning QQ/JJ into a bluff here. Would of tossed pre and definitely on flop here.

River:
Hero checks. Fold to any bet.
Vilain checks.

What do you think would have happened if you made it 120 on the flop (intending to fold to a shove.) I think we are ahead of short stacks range and I think the original villain is folding most , if not all of his range here sometimes including hands that beat us. I mean, can he really 4 bet jam 1 pair here like ever? Even if he flats with AK/AA, if we jam turn it is really a horrendously difficult spot for those hands. I also think it is unlikely that villain, who doesn't raise straddle often ever has a set here as we have KK blocker and since he straddles often and seldom raises 77 and 44 should not really be in his range.

I don't know if I actually have the guts to do it, but it is an interesting idea...

My guess is it wouldn't work. Very few people can fold over pairs at 1/2. Same with flopping TPTK. They just arnt going to fold. Not a big fan of turning our hand into a bluff here. If we had turned a spade draw. Then I likely would have raised for value (as I felt we where ahead).

Plus having an active image. They are less likely to fold to me.

Not sure if he (many others) know what they are doing when they bet JJ and QQ here. Alot of times I think they bet because they have no idea what they are suppose to do.

As for folding pre. Do believe you are correct vs a competent opponent. But I am finding more spots like this, where I know Vilains are going to make mistakes post flop, and I want to be in pots with them. Being OOP here definitely sucks

V2 in this hand had K-10o. If he doesn't hit flop. I am getting to see the turn for $30. My guess is V1 would prolly bet $50 into $150 on turn. Shut down on River with AK.

So worst case senerio we are losing 55ish BB.

55ish big blinds is a huge loss.
Esp considering that this is a situation that will come up fairly often.

The more I play, the more I agree with Venice that its all about the triangle.

Position.
Skill.
Cards.

You need 2 of the three to win.

You don't have the card advantage, and don't have the position advantage.
So, you you likely fold.