1st orbit, Hero $300

2 limps, H raises $15 with KQdd, 4 calls

Flop ($75): QJ4ssd
Hero bets $40, guy next to me who covers calls

Turn ($155): Tc
Hero checks, V checks

River ($155): 8s
Hero checks, V bets $100, Hero folds

I feel like I get too mubsy in these spots and don't like betting too big MW

I would bet flop $55. There are a lot of draws that we want to charge. turn and river run out suck. A lot of two pairs and draws get there by the end. I think you played the hand well.

I don't have a problem with your line at all, seems solid. I guess a case could be made for betting turn as you add equity, but I also think the 10 should hit your Vs range fairly hard as well and it's possible we're now behind. OTR, clear fold. We're only getting 2.5/1 on a call, front door spades came in, and there's now a one liner to a 9 on the board. I'm having a hard time even coming up with very many combos that V could turn into a bluff here that we're ahead of. Off the top of my head, K10/AJ are really the only reasonable hands we're still ahead of, and that's a super narrow range compared to all the combos he could have that we're behind.

Actually, the more I think about it, the T turn only helps QT. I'm still beating all the pair+flush draws which might fold to a big bet putting me on AK.

Yep, pretty standard except I'd bet flop $45-50. wp

Pre and flop are fine, seems pretty mubsy to not bet this turn, top pair open ended with the Broadway draw, I'm 100% barrelling here...
River, that is just a horrible card for us, easy fold.

This is 1/3 NL, right?

Preflop really depends on position and looseness of table, imo. In LP I'm usually raising, but after 2 limpers I'm typically raising more to attempt to thin the field a little. In more EP/MP at a loose table, I'd probably lean to an overlimp (playing a high SPR pot for the multiway value of this hand, and not getting in too much trouble with TP).

This is the kinda situation I try to avoid with TP hands. Small SPR on a drawy board in a multiway pot with just TP having given 4 opponents awesome 24+:1 implied odds preflop. If you think this is a good spot and have a good handle on how to deal with these situations, keep doing what you're doing preflop. If not (and I'm in this camp), then do something different preflop.

Anyways, SPR is slightly less than 4 and board is uber drawy. What's our plan? If we have the best hand, allowing the draws to play to the river (or give them a free card like we did here) is pretty bad in a big pot *if* we're ahead and we feel committed, so we should probably just PSB to setup a turn shove. Course that's pretty bad if we're behind and ~drawing dead, but unfortunately with this SPR we're probably not going to have room to figure that out.

ETA: Even though I totally understand our MUBSy play on the turn, I'm not as convinced as others that it is a good play. *If* we were ahead here (and there is a ok chance we are) and we just gave this guy a free card to win a *huge* pot (which this is), this actually ends up being a massive mistake. This ain't no limped pot where if we make the wrong move, whatever, we lose a small pot, not a massive mistake if we do it once and a while. If we make the wrong move here, it'll probably be our biggest mistake of the night, and will likely define our whole session; we can't make the wrong move here too often and be profitable overall, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG

I'm most likely betting a bit larger on the flop and then shoving on the turn. I expect to get raised otf by 2 pair and sets since the board is so drawy. If they got lucky and hit 2 pair ott that sucks but I think there's plenty of hands we're still ahead of that we can't afford to give a free card to. This might be way too ambitious but I also think there's a chance that a shove could get v to fold some % of the time when he has AQ.

I don't think it's a slam dunk spot at all, but I think it's a bet ott.

So how much do we bet OTT AP?

In my opinion, you really have to think of your plan on the flop (and really, preflop). The SPR is slightly less than 4. That's just 2 PSBs. Or, if your plan is to string things out over 3 streets (which isn't a great idea on a drawy board), that's about 3 bets of a little over a 1/2 PSB.

Your flop bet sizing has already set things up for a weird situation on the turn, where you've only got about 1.5 PSB left. If we bet even just smallish 2/3 PSB, that'll leave us with just $145 left in what will be a $355 pot, so just a 40% PSB left (i.e. feeling committed yet?).

To me, and correct me if I'm wrong, it feels that we're just winging it from street-to-street (I haz pretty hand preflop, I raz; I flops TP, I bets; etc.) while losing sight of the big picture / consequences. IMO.

Gplanyourhand,imoG

Can't check turn here. we get value from too much, need to charge draws, and can stand a raise since we get to draw to the nuts

So we're bet/calling turn for stacks??

The problem is you're asking yourself this question (which is a very valid question, BTW) on the turn. The thing is, you should have known the answer to this question preflop (because preflop pre-determined this spot).

i.e. As soon as you raised fairly small preflop over 2 limpers at an obviously loose table, you *immediately* put yourself in a position where stacks could be played for postflop *trivially*, and the hand you are most likely going to flop was TP2K. If you didn't know how you were going to handle that situation (which you should have seen coming from a mile away), then don't put yourself in it.

Gplanahead,imoG

Considering there are no reads at all in OP, it's pretty hard to say. But as far as hand strength goes, yeah we're definitely ABLE to b/c stacks on the turn depending on how we see V or he sees us, etc.

You never said what you expect V's image and/or range to be, which is a pretty massive part of the equation, otherwise we're just spitballing.

Is this 1/2 or 1/3?
Is $15 regularly getting 4 callers pre flop?

If it is, we sized our bet badly.
If it isn't, then we just got unlucky, no worries.

Rent of the hand is fine imo.
Just a terrible run out.