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everyone in the hand has ~100BB

HJ posts blind and checks. Older gent raises to $20. Older gent isn't an OMC-level nit, but certainly isn't opening all that wide here.

I have KQs in the sb. I fold?

Yes.

Pretty easy fold for me but I'm a nit.

We'll be OOP. We'll likely end up HU (where our IO will be severely limited). Our IO with TP against JJ- suck; our RIO with TP against dominating TP suck. When we both whiff we typically lose when he cbets. Other than that we're just hoping for cooler situations (which we'll lose just as often as we'll win). I'm guessing there's an argument for getting aggro here and 3betting, but how often is that really going to work out OOP?

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I'm too stationy to fold for the most part, but this is a fold.

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These threads are pointless if you're not going to bother assigning a range to villain.

IF OP knew the range, I'm pretty sure he'd know the answer.

You don't need to know the range to speculate on what you think it might be.

"A limper checked his option, villain on [CO/BTN] then raises to $20 when his normal raise is $X. I think his range may look like [Y:Z]."

obv not 100% sure but lets just guess

88+

ATo+

A9s+

KTs+

KQo

QJs

what sort of equity should be we looking for OOP here before considering 3 betting? i assume we never coldcall unless we have pairs.

isnt a big part of the post asking what we think his range might be?

in live poker we have these vague general descriptions like "older gentleman, not necessarily OMC but seems tight" and we go off these descriptions and play our ranges. we ask more experienced live players who play our game and ask them what they think the best action is

A good thread starts with good input from the OP. No offense to OP, but this is just a very lazy looking post that begets low quality responses.

People are unique and trying to jam square pegs into round holes with generic classifications is a massive crutch that threads in this sub rely on.

Assigning a possible range is like the bare minimum a post should contain. Are you really going to read the following and think you learned something?

Kind of agree with more info. What about post flop? If he's sticky once he's in there could be some implied odds. What's his c-bet frequency when he does open? If his lines often use weak sizings, check backs, trapping with top pair, that's also something to consider. What about the BB? Can he squeeze? I assume everyone else folded and only the HJ who checked and the BB are behind? Too many unknowns. Easiest answer without info is Garick's fold pre.

Ffs, don't listen to the nits above. This is a clear 3bet AINEC. Folding pre here vs all but the tightest of ranges is giving up a boatload of value.

We need to call 19 into a $47 pot which means we need ~40% raw equity. I usually add a 20% equity penalty for being oop, which means we need a non-raw (cooked?) equity of around 50%, which basically means we should only call a ridiculously tight JJ+,AQ+ vs the range you've given him.

However, if we assume reasonable preflop FE, perceived range advantage and the ability to cbet on favorable boards postflop, and just better equity realisation in general as the preflop 3bettor, this spot becomes immensely +EV. Let's say he continues to our 3bet with JJ+,AQ+. Now look at the range you gave him, what % of combo's is he folding pre? 60%? 70% maybe even?

Obviously i'm making a bunch of assumptions here and vs a relative unknown there's gonna be a lot of variance, but vs the overall population you will be printing money by 3betting here, even vs a somewhat tight villain.

Fwiw i don't think i have a flatting range at this stack depth, not even with pairs, cause the setmining odds are barely there, but i'm 3betting a bunch, probably 99+,AJo+,A5s+,JTs+.

Heck, that might even be to tight, given we can add 9% to our stack just by getting folds here, our hand has good playability and good blockers, V can't setmine profitably at this stackdepth and he's gonna end up with a fairly well defined range that will have to fold on a large number of flops.

TL;DR: Folding this pre is a leak vs almost any range, and it's probably not a small leak either.

1. Fold
2. Raise to 55 - 60
3. Call

Villains range can normally be assumed as something like 88+, at+ so the profitability is determined by what he is willing to fold.

If he's not an OMC I'd probably call looking for a flush or straight, but in 1/2 i'd fold to 20, i frequently call with KQs in my game but its usually 12 as most of the players raise with any pair. However, there are 10 OMCs I am keenly aware of (who seldom venture out past 5 pm) but if its one of them raising to 15 or in fine OMC style 18 then its an auto fold for me.

Most losing players snap call here and don't think twice about it. Defaulting to a fold would plug a pretty decent leak. And while the response by Viral has some next level thinking to it, it really is fine for non-experts to just plug a leak by folding and not overthinking it.

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If you're an expert, you can obviously do whatever you want. Telling anyone who is a non-expert (and I include myself in this group) that 3betting is printing money (with still streets and stacks behind OOP) and a big leak at that is pretty lol / irresponsible (you're assuming way too much regarding postflop OOP skillz required in a 3bet pot). It's perfectly fine for most to just fold here and move on, imo.

TL;DR: If you're an OP asking whether this is a fold, then yes, it is.

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