Game: 1/3, 6 handed.

V1: Looks to be your standard rec player, 35ish, bought in for $300. We've only been at the table for 15 minutes, but hes limped in 2 times. Hasn't raised yes, but doesn't look like scared money.

V2: Tight, mostly passive pre flop. Generally views me as very spewy, but competent. Hard to pin down as he sometimes makes weird hero folds and hero calls against me.

H: Has that grinder vibe. Hoodie (it's cold in here yo!), and earbuds. I've raised 2 times since we started, both times when we were 4 handed. Neither went to showdown. I told V that I don't chop when he wanted to chop 4 handed a few minutes ago. $500

Hand:
V2 open limps (this is common for him from a lot of positions)
1 fold
V1 raises to $6

This bet just looks weak, but most V's won't fold to a small 3bet, so I think I can 3bet for value here.

Hero 3bets to $17 with KQo

V2 colds
V1 calls

Flop ($45) KT3r
V2 checks
V1 bets $21
Hero calls
V2 folds

I debate raising here, but I think it overplays our hand a bit. We will likely only get called by KT/K3, KJ+ when we raise, as well as the only draw of QJ. But I'm open to other opinions.

Turn ($87) 6x
V1 bets $40
Hero ?

His sizing makes me think hes a bit weak, but is there value in raising here? I'm not sure if it folds out too many weaker hands. Thanks.

The key to this hand is what is his std open with hands like AK Jj+ and does he like to barrel alot post...

I think your going to find yourself running into ak alot here and shaking your head about how bad rec players are... But it dep on his opening sizes

I think I would have raised flop. I'd probably just call on turn after calling on flop and call most rivers.

Have there been other raises at the table? Were they around $6?

I think he's betting weakish since you raised PF. He has a hand but wants to be sure he leaves room for you to raise with.

I dont like raising the Turn, better on the Flop (Do we want V2 to call though?), but agree he's probably not folding out Kx hands. This could be a couple of blocker bets with OESD also. If Turn is something that better connects to board, then I consider raising Turn, but 6x is blank.

Why are you looking to fold out weaker hands? Think you meant 'stronger' hands in your comments. GL

We ought to call it down IMO.

Call! Love the call on the flop as I think a raise is bad there.

I think you have to call river as well.

V range PF is something that wants to build a pot. i think we can discount AA-TT, possibly AK. So, I have him on AK-AT, KQ-K9, QJ, JT, 99-22.

OTF, he leads for half the pot on a fairly coordinated board. We chop with one hand, are way behind KT, AK and 33, and ahead of QJ, JT. Fairly certain he folds 99-22 once called on the flop. Chances are he c/f's 66. Plus I think we can factor in some sort of spazz factor, so given the odds we're laid, I call the 1/2 pot bet & call a reasonably-sized river bet UI. Soul-read if we bink a Q or K.

Short sample so the couple of limps short-handed may not mean much. The $6 raise is strange sizing, especially once he cold calls an aggressive player's 3bet.

I’m probably folding the turn as I don’t see many passive players leading with KJ-. There are too many combos ahead of us.

Calling likely leads to calling most rivers; Raising seems spewy, i.e. is he calling a raise with worse? We may be getting value from OESD, but I think most rec players are not betting flop and turn with QJ.

Hate this spot.
His open certainly looks weak, but I think his flop donk and turn bet could easily be pure value sizing for him.

If he thinks he has the best hand, what do we actually beat that he fires 2 bullets? How many worse Ks are in his range?

I don't see the point in raising flop or turn.

If we call the turn, we are committing ourselves to calling a reasonable river bet.

Meh, depending on read, I probably just fold the turn. But if he looks uncomfortable or nervous, I probably go into call down mode.

Call turn. Im sure we're aggro as we should be. Do we float a decent amount of flops?

You're looking at AK here a lot. They don't want to raise AK, but know they are suppose to. The question is, can u push him off. Too many times, the answer is no. Vs many villains, I'd fold the flop. All depends on the read.

I would play it the same way up to this point. He's giving a pretty good price, like better than 3:1, so we only need to be good 25% of the time. I think we can still be good more than 25% of the time up to this point so I would call but fold river if he bets again.

No no.

I'm wary that it will fold out too many weaker hands if I raise.
Better is almost never folding, so I'd want to be sure that he's calling with enough weaker ones to make a raise profitable if I did.

I play the hand the same and call a reasonable river bet.
I think these min raises can be a wide range, I don't think he has AA/KK here as you would think he would have 4bet pre so i removed those from his range.

Here is how you fair against a few ranges:

Board: KdTh3s6c
Equity Win Tie
V1 39.88% 35.19% 4.69% { TT, AKs, K2s+, QJs, AKo, K9o+, QJo }
Hero 60.12% 55.43% 4.69% { KcQs }

Removing some of the weaker kings and weaker suited kings.
Board: KdTh3s6c
Equity Win Tie
V1 48.69% 42.02% 6.67% { TT, AKs, K9s+, QJs, AKo, KTo+, QJo }
Hero 51.31% 44.65% 6.67% { KcQs }

Even given him a narrower range you are over 50% and are given a great price. I would also think that TT and KT would check raise the flop against a 3 bettor, but since we don't know a ton about villain maybe not. Lastly these donk type leads usually are "Information Bets" let me see where I am at, he will occasionally have AK or KT but i think a lot of his range is weaker kings, i also don't think he shows up with QJ a ton, many recs won't double barrell that hand here.

I was not involved in this hand but saw a similar hand the other day.
Villain is pretty much the same villain you describe, Hero is a bad fishy lady.

Hand goes like this:
V(Covers) limps in MP, Fishy Hero(250) raises to 12 in CO. All fold and V calls
Flop:

($26)Q 9 4r
V bets 15, Fishy Hero calls 15

($56)Q 9 4 3r
V Bets 25, Fishy Hero calls 25

($106)Q 9 4 3 7
V checks, Fishy Hero Bets $75.
V calls, Fish shows TT, V shows QJ.

I saw this guy take this exact line 2 or 3 times, he would limp/call preflop and donk flop and turn and check river against a PF raiser with similar hands.

Not all rec players are the same but that's what this hand feels like. I would call flop/turn/river and depending on V if he checks the river i might make a value bet of about $75. I don't raise Flop/Turn as you will usually only get called by better. I know this is technically a 3 bet pot, but his open was so small, it doesn't necessarily play like one.

I'm calling down. And if I miss value, I'm not mad about it. If checked to, the river is a clear b/f for value.

+1

I try to diagnose whether or not Vs adjust their game to 6-handed play; or if they even know how to. KQ TPGK is stronger in a 6-handed game than at a full game. It's hard to say how V1 is viewing hero.

Does he value bet KJ on the turn in this spot? Hero 3-bet pre and called a flop bet. This turn bet from someone who's tight-passive pre is a little scary.

I don't see a ton of value in raising. He probably lays down QJ and weaker kings. Maybe he hero folds AK?

Expect to see Kx by the river. At worst V is KQ or maybe 2p. Might flat turn and fold to any non Q that V bets OTR.