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10-25-2013 , 04:01 AM
9 handed live 1 2 game my stack 220, villain has me covered.
Me 2 off the button, villain 4 off.

He is an intelligent player but seems to play way too laggy, a bit loose overall. He is opening with a raise first in with any kind of a hand from any position, e.g. 79o, T7s, etc.

I have already 3bet him a few times and he has folded mostly btf, once to a cbet.

He raises and I have KQo so reckon I am way ahead of his range and reraise to 37. No others call, so I have position 2way.
flop 9 6 2r

I bet 40, he calls. pot 157.
I have 143 behind.
turn Q.
he checks I bet 100, he raises allin.
I call 43 allin.

He has Q9o and wins.

Did I play this badly ?
Am I right to 3 bet isolate such a player with decent broadway hands?
Should I control check the turn ?
Once he calls the flop, I put him on pocket pair or pair on the flop, rather than floating with nothing.
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10-25-2013 , 05:25 AM
Bet more on the flop, shove turn.
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10-25-2013 , 06:32 AM
Not much you can do with him hitting his 9 on the flop. I think you played it fine. With the turn card you pretty much can't fold and should bet with the intent of getting all-in.

If the flop came Q62 instead of 962 he'd probably lose all of his money. Don't let this bad result prevent you from 3-betting the KQo in this spot. If he is calling 3-bets with Q9o then 3-bet that hand all day against him.
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10-25-2013 , 05:53 PM
Pre - I like the 3bet.

Flop - Check behind. If you have been 3 betting light, V should know that you have a pp <30% of the time. You can't rep much else, so I don't think you are knocking him off anything better than A high given stack sizes.

He'll probably check down A high. If you think, he'll barrel you with worse most of the time, and you feel he missed, you can consider calling him down w/ K high overs b/c SPR's are just a little over two. (You can do this only if V's play is extremely imbalanced.) Otherwise, lousy flop.

Turn - you are committed, and SPR's are way too low for pot control.

Last edited by $FishWreck$; 10-25-2013 at 06:02 PM.
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10-25-2013 , 06:01 PM
Bluff raising 1/2 pot is a waste of money, and if you bet much more you will be committing yourself to calling down w/ your overs.
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10-25-2013 , 06:59 PM
We don't three bet because we're ahead if his range now, we 3 bet with the range he will call our 3bet with.
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10-25-2013 , 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by mtagliaf
We don't three bet because we're ahead if his range now, we 3 bet with the range he will call our 3bet with.
Could you elaborate on this please?
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10-25-2013 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by dugthefish
Could you elaborate on this please?
Original poster said the following:
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He raises and I have KQo so reckon I am way ahead of his range and reraise to 37."
Hero said he raised because he has the best hand now. That's not what a value bet is. A value bet is when villain will continue with worse. If villain in this hand folds KJ and KT, but continues with AK, then why did we bet?

I'm not saying that 3betting with KQ in position is a bad thing. We could get villain to fold better (like small pairs, or Ax), or hands that have 40% equity against us (like suited connectors). That raise is more of a bluff than a value bet, though.

By flatting, you keep villain's range wide, instead of isolating yourself against the part of his range that's beating you. Would you rather play postflop ahead of villain's range or behind it?
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10-25-2013 , 08:18 PM
Hi and welcome.

I think you will find that in general posting the results will tend to skew the responses you get.

For example the argument mtagliaf is making above about his 3-bet calling range is well put. Yet I can see from your results that villain was indeed calling a 3-bet with worse than KQ, so your 3-bet actually was for significant value. Does that mean it was the right play? Not necessarily, but by giving the result people will be more inclined to provide hindsight advice.

I think that you made a significant error in c-betting the flop. This hits none of your range, and the only hand you are repping is an overpair. Granted he might have whiffed as well, but Ax is the only hand you beat that you are folding out on this flop.

After your turn bet, you are completely committed and obviously have to call. Its not that the turn bet was bad either, you picked up TPGK and are likely ahead, but because the pot is so bloated you have no room to maneuver.

Simply check flop, bet/fold turn if check raised.
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10-25-2013 , 09:41 PM
Preflop isn't an auto 3-bet. If you reckon you are far ahead of him, and you have position, and he has been folding to your 3-bets, maybe you can just call pre. Maybe 3-bet with some stronger and some weaker hands than this.

After that it's mostly fine. Sometimes check back the flop.
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10-26-2013 , 03:23 AM
thanks for comments.

After 3 betting him already 3 times I think he decided to make a stand correctly not putting me on TT+, to call the cbet if hit a pair.

He modified his continuing range in light of the continued 3bets.

I guess that is something that I coulda read from the situation.

And check flop if I miss. as Fishwreck favours.
I think my cbets need to be balanced between overpair cbets and bluff cbets.
My inclination would have been to cbet every time in this situation which gives the caller an easy call (or raise may be better)if he hits something.
This 3betting becomes tricky to play postflop, even it is correct.

It may be easier to go with mtagliafs approach of flatting. Just hit TP and value bet or raise him on flop.
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10-26-2013 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by mtagliaf
Original poster said the following:


Hero said he raised because he has the best hand now. That's not what a value bet is. A value bet is when villain will continue with worse. If villain in this hand folds KJ and KT, but continues with AK, then why did we bet?

I'm not saying that 3betting with KQ in position is a bad thing. We could get villain to fold better (like small pairs, or Ax), or hands that have 40% equity against us (like suited connectors). That raise is more of a bluff than a value bet, though.

By flatting, you keep villain's range wide, instead of isolating yourself against the part of his range that's beating you. Would you rather play postflop ahead of villain's range or behind it?
Thanks for the explanation. I find myself in spots like this as well.
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