Hi all,

1/3. V is young Asian fellow. Can’t be too specific with reads as I haven’t seen him play many pots. Once he raised river when the flush got there and had a boat. That’s pretty much it. He is playing $350. Hero has $200.

V raises UTG to $15, four callers and hero calls on BTN with KQhh. Pot is $75.

Flop: Qx-10h-8h. All check to hero who bets $35. Only V calls. Pot $145.

Turn: 5d. V checks. Hero doesn’t want to commit with one pair and checks behind. Mistake?

River: 9s. V leads $85. Hero?

Thanks,
DT

Id shove turn for value, we have a psb left

If you were not willing to play for stacks on this flop and turn, I'm not sure why you thought the hand would be worth the preflop call.

I don't hate preflop since we're multiway and have great relative and absolute position.

With a large SPR I'd be cool with a small bet / check turn UI / showdown as we don't want to get in large remaining stacks UI. But in this super small SPR, we're probably cool with just playing for stacks and protecting the big pot (especially given this action on a drawy board where people rarely fool around in a big pot). So I'd probably lean to a big bet on the flop to shove the turn.

We only have a PSB left on the turn. Again, if we had like 3x+ PSBs left, then I'd be fine with the checkback. Here, not so much. Just shove, imo.

Terrible river card as this really did look like JJ. I just don't see too many busted draws here (he really check/called AK OOP with the world still to react behind him?). I probably fold as I can't even see what mediocre hands (which would usually check) blocking bet here (AT?).

Gwhencommitted,commit,imoG

I'm with all of the above posters.

Checking the turn for pot control is useful when the pot is small relative to stacks. That is not the case here. If you think your hand is good a large enough % of the time, put the money in. Villain's flop&turn checks, top pair, a flush draw in case you're somehow behind...all looks like green light.

$50 on flop

$135 on turn.....easy game.

Pre you have 4 callers behind an UTG raise from a loose player and u just flat BTN? You should iso 3bet this pre to eliminate the ****ty hands that 1/2 players limp in with OOP. The more you fold out, the more you increase your odds of winning the hand

Larger cb on flop on wet boards like this on LLSNL. Size up to $45-50 OTF and barrel most turn cards due to how wet this board is to protect your equity.

SPR in this hand is almost exactly 1. You should be committing here with top pair and second NFD otherwise there's no point in playing hands like KQhh

None of the players limped here; they all called an UTG raise.

While there is some argument for 3betting here with all this dead money, it would be for stacks (with $75 already in the middle the only raise is a stack committing one) and I'm not convinced we want to do that against an UTG raiser (noting that nothing has been said of his UTG opening range and other than that it looks like the description has him playing tight and ABC). I'd be a lot more cool taking a committing 3bet line against a known loose aggro player who disregards position, and/or perhaps even OOP where we can't use our positional advantage postflop.

GcluelessNLnoobG

THIS

Yeah we really shouldn't be in this river spot because we should've bet stronger on flop and shoved turn. Like what are we afraid of villain having here? He just checks a set on this wet flop?

You don't need the flush equity to jam this turn. You should be jamming it with all queens or better. When an UTG PFR check/calls the flop like this, then checks again on a blank turn, your top pair is good like 99% of the time. But the board is sopping wet, SPR is low, and you don't know what cards you need to fade on the river. Slam dunk value jam. When you are playing with 66BB in a game where 5X raises get 5 callers, you're going to want to get comfortable playing for stacks with one pair.

Hmm, pre is a weird spot. Maybe get a job so u can buyin deeper. W/66 bbs eff i think i just jam pre & pray that utg folds

Why would we consider pot controlling the turn with larger SPR? We are very likely ahead with few dangerous cards on the river.

Exactly - no way villain had KQ beat when he chose to not cbet this flop - nothing makes sense for villain to slowplay here - he should not have J-9 and he should not be slowplaying a set on such a coordinated board with so many players in.

5 on the turn changes nothing; can't see how you felt needed to pot control or even considered you might be behind OTT. The fact you have a redraw to the 2nd nuts is just icing on top of the cake.

As played, I wouldn't like it but I'd probably call the river. J-J is a likely holding, but when you've played as weakly as you did OTF and OTT, there's a decent chance villain decided to run a bluff with 4 to a straight on the board. A-K is not impossible, and that hand does make sense for villain not cbetting into 4 opponents but calling your flop bet with 2 overs and a gutshot.

Hate the turn check.

This is an extremely wet board, you *need* to be betting here, especially with effective stacks. Claiming pot control sounds like a very random reason and just fear of playing big pots.

With your effective stack, you should be all-in on the turn. Buy in deeper.

AP, just call it off. You played very weakly and this is a great card to bluff.