Hero has $300 and has barely been playing at all for 90 mins. Should have a tight image as I've only played one hand and won it.

Both villains have me covered and play a similar style. They're loose but I wouldn't quite say LAG. More like gamblers. They play a wide range, sometimes play the cards aggressively and sometimes passive.

I had played a hand earlier against V2 and won a decent pot against her. Knocked her with value bets on multiple streets.

Folded to Hero in MP1. Opens to $15. V1 in CO and V2 in button both call. V1 laughs that not only am I playing a hand, I actually raised.

Flop AsQd3h ($45). Hero bets $25. The ace scared me but thought I should still c-bet with the second best pair, strong kicker.

V1 instantly folds, V2 calls.

Turn 5c ($95). Hero checks. V2 checks
River 7d ($95). Hero?

I had no idea where I stood after her flop call. Thought that given my tightness, her call meant I was in trouble. But then she checks the turn. Possible range: Ax, Qx, pocket pair, gutshot draw like KT or JT.

I wasn't sure what to do on the later streets and was just hoping to check call down, especially the river. Does that make sense?

Nice hand so far. I'd value bet this as a bet/fold for about $40 on a board this dry. It's rather thin, given how many weak aces are likely in her range and aren't folding, but it gets us value from worse Qs, Also, there are some meta game advantages. If folded we don't have to show down, which keeps our FE up. If called, we look a bit aggro, which could get us more FE (if we are good) or more FOS (and therefore likely more calls of our value bets) if we are not good.

I don't hate a c/c, if you think it might induce a bluff, but I'd want better reads before I tried it, as LLSNL Vs tend to under-bluff rivers.

You could bet less on the flop, its very dry, so if you are called you are probably against someone with an Ace. You're blocking people with a pair of queens, and an Ace high board is as scary to other players without an ace, as it is to you.
$20 does the job as well as $25... you could go as low as $15.

The fact you got called should be concerning, so your check on the turn is good. You should fold if Villain bets.

Villain does not bet, so her hand does seem like a weak ace, or a queen. Given that there are more combos of Ax hands than Qx hands, I would lean towards checking on the river. Villain had a great opportunity to take the pot away from you on the turn - and didn't take it. So there is a high chance she will not bet the river, and you have showdown value.

I fold preflop. KQo is a pretty meh hand and easily dominated, and if we feel we must play it probably does better as a limp (keeping in dominated hands) than a raise (bloating a pot OOP). Look what happened here. We ended up OOP to multiple opponents, both opponents have a really good idea of what we have (right? even though it's at the bottom of our range), and yet we only got in a lol 5% of stacks preflop when maybe (maybe?) we were best. How great a spot is this?

I would lean to checking the flop. Board is drawless so we're mostly WA/WB in that a better hand is never folding (right?) and it's a little unlikely a worse hand is going to call (not completely true on the flop, but overall we don't want multiple streets going in). We're also very stable; our hand status is very unlikely to change on the turn.

I also check the turn. I'm very thankful the turn checked thru.

I would probably do a very small blocking type bet on the river. We can still eke out some value against worse and meanwhile we get to be the ones setting the price. There's also hardly any draws that busted (so no reason to bluffcatch) and my guess is our opponent ain't going to take advantage of the small bet and raise what looks to be a weak hand. I'd go like $25 which will be hard to pass up even for very weak hands.

GcluelessNLnoobG

You could fold pre with these V's in late position and I wouldn't hate it. I also don't hate the open, it's a borderline situation.

x/c flop and see a turn. I'd get to showdown which shouldn't be too tough to accomplish with your tight image.

Thanks everyone! My big takeaway and it that KQo is not as strong a hand as I initially thought, especially OOP. Put me in an uncomfortable spot, even after I hit my pair.

Going forward, I will not raise it as often PF and in a situation like this, think a small river bet would have been appropriate. Great feedback and thanks again.

Bet $30-40. If you’re prepared to call a river bet then make the value bet yourself. Otherwise you’re paying off Ax but not getting value from Qx which they will often x back themselves.

This is what I used to do, but with a tight image, I've been getting paid more when I check/call than when I bet. Doesn't always work, but it's been working for me.

Are people betting too thin with worse or completely bluffing?

I can understand having difficulty getting paid off with worse to a bet with a tight image, but (a) too thin bettors are rare and (b) not a lotta busted draws to be bluffing (unless someone is always trying to move you off your obvious mediocre hand here), so a bet/fold is better than a check/call here.

GimoG

Why would someone bet thinner when you have a tighter image? The tighter your image, the further down their value range they are going to check back.

im guessing she means that people will tend to try to bluff you more because they think tight = weak, which seems to happen to me often as well.

and wtf at open folding KQ pre from MP

Against two other players as described I just check the flop quite a bit but I don’t mind betting as wel block strong hands. AK/AQ and u have a good image.

As played I think checking the turn is okay planning to check fold

When the the V checks back Turn I feel a little bit better

Me personally on the river I would bet very very small and go for thin value against another Qx and plan to fold if raised

Blue horseshoe likes Ck flop

Flop is definitely a check, betting seems like a huge mistake.

Agree with Javanewt and Aulm.

V has a pretty good idea what H has by the river. She is calling with all her weak Aces after H checks turn.

But she could easily try to steal with her weak Q combos. In a nearly identical situation a few weeks ago, I got bet on river after x'g by Q9s and had a pretty easy call with KQ.

Would that Q9 paid off a small bet? If so, a bet/fold is better as Q9 manages a check behind some of the time.

GimoG

I was in a similar situation few days back in a 5/5 game though mine was suited but still on a rainbow board. The person last to act is kind of a loose player capable of bluffing. I checked, first to act checks and villain bets about half pot. I called and on the turn when I checked he bet 3/4th pot. I had to fold there. If instead I had bet flop and checked turn I can represent weaker aces like AJ and AT. If he continues to be then it’s an easier fold. Would you agree with this line of thinking ?

Check the flop. We're way ahead or way behind. Plus our opponents sound bluffy. Let them bluff.

LOL. KQ and AJ are too of my favorite hands, both easy raises from any position at these stakes IMO.

I don't collect stats, but if I did, my guess is that KQ and AJ would be the two biggest losing hands in NL.

Gacompleteguess,Icouldbewrong,Idon'tcareG

do you have any idea how willfully ignorant this sounds? you basically said, "i dont know, and i dont want to learn." true words of wisdom.

does anyone have pokertracker anymore? since gobbeldygeek seems to have no interest in increasing his poker knowledge himself (why someone enjoys being ignorant is beyond me), someone please oblige him

you have a 25% chance of being dominated at a 10 handed table. with 5-6 players left to act after the first few fold, the odds are ~15%.

https://wizardofodds.com/games/texas...probabilities/

you can still claim its a marginal hand due to being OOP, but dont make up stuff about being "easily dominated" when a few seconds search proves otherwise.

Of course not neither net nor gross. The high card value alone makes it impossible for them to be the most losing hands unless they occupy the bottom of your vpip range which is suppose then it is possible. Of course if you only played KK+ then KK will qualify as your biggest loser.

KK generally loses the most gross but wins second most net assuming normal play/ranges.