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10-12-2013 , 01:10 PM
Eff stacks are $275

Villain is very loose and can be aggro post flop. He's middle aged and has been limp/calling a lot. Doesnt open raise much. But I've only sat with him for like 15 mins and he's limped just about everything.

He raises to 10 from lp. One caller. I 3b to 30 with KK from the blinds. Villain calls, other guy folds.

Flop (65): J88hh. I bet 35, he calls.

Turn (135): 9h. Hero?

His calling range otf should be QQ, AJ, JJ, any FD, and AA. it'll be more weighted towards QQ, FDs because of combinations and because he'd probably 4bet AA a lot. Also since this guy is such a station, maybe he could have some weird KJ/QJ and 98/87s.

Turn I considered c/c with the intention of c/c river or b/f river, b/c, and b/f with the intention of betting safe rivers. Not sure what to do.

In wa/wb spots is it better to pot control and just c/c turn and river?



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10-12-2013 , 01:17 PM
Do we have Kh? If so, I'm fine with giving a free card here, and will usually call if he bets. If not, Ima b/f, cause a free card is the suck, but if he raises here we're in a bad spot.
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10-12-2013 , 01:46 PM
Too small on flop.

B/f turn 2/3 pot.

Pretty standard spot, IMO.
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10-12-2013 , 08:39 PM
Raise more pre. Bet more on flop.
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10-12-2013 , 09:43 PM
c/c kind of sucks cause he may check back alot of hands we beat, but hes going to bet flushes and trips. The only reason to c/c is if we think hes capable of floating us on the flop and is now barreling or if he's just a monkey and is going to bet a hand like 77 here because hes a lol live player and puts you on AK when you check.
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10-12-2013 , 10:34 PM
Pre you could get away with $40 if he's loose. Bet $50 otf ($60 if we raised $40 pre) bet/fold turn without Kh and check/call eval river if we do. I'm intending to call a lot of rivers if we do have Kh, - we should be checking all rivers unless an 8 or a K comes.
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10-12-2013 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Duke0424
Eff stacks are $275

His calling range otf should be QQ, AJ, JJ, any FD, and AA. it'll be more weighted towards QQ, FDs because of combinations and because he'd probably 4bet AA a lot. Also since this guy is such a station, maybe he could have some weird KJ/QJ and 98/87s.
I'd be narrowing his continuation range before deciding how to play turn. If you discount AA from this range (because he 4bets), then you're ahead of all hands except JJ and 98/87s on the flop. That there's a J, 9 & 8 of on the board, means you can reduce his flush draws to Ax and KQ. You might even be able to say he folds all Ax's preflop except AK, AQ and A10, so really there are not as many flush combinations as you may have initially believed.

The other question you have to ask is how often is villain semi-bluffing turn if you check or mistakenly betting for value with QQ, AJ or QJ? If you believe he's betting for these reasons often, then c/c turn is okay, with a c/f on the river. If he checks behind on turn, then you can bet non-, non-10 rivers for value and will often be called by worse.
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10-13-2013 , 03:16 AM
With your hand i like more pre and 3/4 PSB on the draw heavy flop. Turn is very tough. We need to know if you have Kh.
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10-13-2013 , 03:42 AM
Pre needs to be raised more. $40-$50 to go. Also, I think his range is probably wider than you think it is. I'm pretty much betting this the whole way until he gives me a reason to stop.
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10-13-2013 , 04:25 AM
Im making my raise size larger and deff betting more otf. Im continuing on most turns as well.Theres just to many villains who will station with any J and was your K a heart?
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