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KK vs River Bet in 3B Pot KK vs River Bet in 3B Pot

10-16-2018 , 12:38 PM
Game is 1/2 nine handed. Villain sat down 15 mins ago and has been raising pretty often preflop. We played a hand where he raised preflop to 10 from CO, I raised to 30 with AKo from BB. We both check on 226hh flop. Turn is Kh. I bet 30, Villain raises to 105, I call. River 7h goes check-check. Villain shows Q2dd and scoops, I mucked and didn't have to show.

So Villain seems to be playing pretty loose-aggressive and perhaps tricky, given that he can check back trips in a 3-bet pot.

OTTH

Villain raises to 10 on CO, I raise to 30 with KK from the BB (cannot remember the suits)

Flop (61) QJ7
I bet 40, Villain calls

Turn (141) 9
I check, Villain checks

River (141) 9
I check, Villain bets 110, I..?

I don't know whether this hand might appear standard on paper vs at the table but my thought process was that I block his KQ combinations, if he had a Queen, maybe he bets it on the turn, and also a 100+ bet size at 1/2 is considered very strong. Interested to hear your thoughts, thanks.

Last edited by Vancouver; 10-16-2018 at 12:44 PM.
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10-16-2018 , 12:49 PM
3bet bigger pre. Bet river yourself. As played easy call
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10-16-2018 , 01:01 PM
Pre is fine, although I would bet larger myself.

I think you are only beat by KT (which we block) or by a weird Q9/J9/Ah9h. Checking back QJ OTT would be bizarre, so we can likely rule that hand out as well.

This should be an easy call as we are underrepped and villain could easily be betting AJ for value.
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10-16-2018 , 01:10 PM
3b pre bigger.

flop bet or check is ok, prob just betting. if we have Kh id check sometimes

turn is good, terrible card for our range.

otr easy call.
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10-16-2018 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
3b pre bigger.

flop bet or check is ok, prob just betting. if we have Kh id check sometimes

turn is good, terrible card for our range.

otr easy call.
All of this, except I lean towards check flop, but betting is fine.
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10-16-2018 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mjm
All of this, except I lean towards check flop, but betting is fine.


Check flop ??? Why ?
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10-16-2018 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by momo_uk
Check flop ??? Why ?
We are OOP on a wet board that should hit Villain's range reasonably hard. Whilst I'm not particularly bothered about balance in Llsnl, these are the kind of spots I like to protect my checking range. Overpairs are my preferred hands for doing so. It's going to be difficult to go for 3 streets of value on a lot of runouts & I like underepping my hand on the flop, rather than betting now, having to check/decide on later streets.

Bad players often think you can never have anything Qx or better when you check this flop, and you can often get more value with a check than a bet. It also has the benefit of preventing observant regs from relentlessely attacking your missed cbets IP when they see that you still have strong hands in your range.

I think a bet is fine, but this is the type of board OOP I'm going to check AA or KK a decent amount.
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10-16-2018 , 03:58 PM
Stacks sizes would be helpful
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10-16-2018 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by mjm
We are OOP on a wet board that should hit Villain's range reasonably hard.
Villain already has raised/called with Q2s. Good luck trying to put him on a range.
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10-16-2018 , 04:06 PM
Bigger pre. Closer to 4x OOP unless there are stack leveraging issues in play.

As played I call and expect to see T9 most of the time. A9hh sometimes too.

Qx probably thinks it’s good enough to bet for value and there’s plenty of missed draws that could bet after you underrep your hand on the turn.
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10-16-2018 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by mjm
We are OOP on a wet board that should hit Villain's range reasonably hard. Whilst I'm not particularly bothered about balance in Llsnl, these are the kind of spots I like to protect my checking range. Overpairs are my preferred hands for doing so. It's going to be difficult to go for 3 streets of value on a lot of runouts & I like underepping my hand on the flop, rather than betting now, having to check/decide on later streets.



Bad players often think you can never have anything Qx or better when you check this flop, and you can often get more value with a check than a bet. It also has the benefit of preventing observant regs from relentlessely attacking your missed cbets IP when they see that you still have strong hands in your range.



I think a bet is fine, but this is the type of board OOP I'm going to check AA or KK a decent amount.


Although I agree with your reasoning for checking completely, my biggest fear is giving them a green signal to fire three streets with air against us and being put to a decision for our entire stack where we feel compelled to call it off because “we underrepped our hand heavily”. Whereas if we just bet flop, bet turn , they would play fairly straightforward because our range looks strong and they’d never try bluffing vs that range so we can comfortably bet fold every street.

What do you think?
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10-17-2018 , 01:22 AM
b/b/shove.

We block KT so the 9 isn’t much of a scare card. Having an overpair on a board where AK and draws brick is your money maker so get max value.
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10-17-2018 , 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by momo_uk
Although I agree with your reasoning for checking completely, my biggest fear is giving them a green signal to fire three streets with air against us and being put to a decision for our entire stack where we feel compelled to call it off because “we underrepped our hand heavily”. Whereas if we just bet flop, bet turn , they would play fairly straightforward because our range looks strong and they’d never try bluffing vs that range so we can comfortably bet fold every street.

What do you think?
im also in the bet bet fold when raised as a default line for top pair+ holdings, specially online but live i do call based on opponent tendencies.
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