Most live low stakes players are braindead morons. LoL @ us exceeding 25 posts on this thread. LoL Lockdownaments.

So shove pre and </thread>, that's it?

I'll say it again, I disagree. Call and assume opponent is an idiot who will actually try to set mine for half his stack, and if the flop looks safe that he just punts because he doesnt know what to do in huge pots with a pair.

Others in this thread think opponent may call it off pre with TT but never on a 222 flop. I disagree. I think MOST live players actually *will* call off an overpair as weak as TT as long as the flop looks safe to them, despite the obviousness of you holding KK+

Agreed.

I was give V choices other than fold, make a bad call at $275, reraise me all in if I had only called Wildman, or make a worse call of my all in at $475. By shoving, I took two of his options away which I now believe was a mistake. It is easier for V to make the cheaper error and there is a small but better than zero chance he might even think he had fold equity by shoving.

Those who are arguing he would be an idiot to do anything but fold, I agree. But that doesn't mean I should not give him the opportunity to be an idiot. We've all done stupid things at the poker table.

Against a generic unknown you can make a case for that at 1/2 but UTG+2 villain has been described as solid and aware. He isn't likely to make that sort of mistake.

If you reversed wildman and UTG+2 I would recommend flatting and letting wildman make a stupid play.

Doesn’t really matter but I would shove to make it look like AK

I'd say calling looks stronger to a thinking player. Let's say your continuing range against the all in is QQ+, AK and maybe JJ. You're not going to be calling and inviting action with QQ-JJ or AK, so that can only leave KK+. Personally, I don't think it mattered what you did when a strong player has JJ, he's folding no matter what. In the future, I do think calling is better most live players play poorly and calling $275 is less intimidating than calling a $475 all in.

^ Most players, yes, but V was described as solid.

you really only raise if you want to get an ace out. and if he reads you two right he is getting around the right price to do that.

and why are you talking during or after the hand, about it with a better or good player or anyone at the table.

Personally, I'd jam. I'd rather a premium hand vs. 1 than 2. But Villain is probably AA, QQ, JJ, TT, AQ, AJ, AT which you have 60% equity agains with the wild man using a 30% range.

Versus the wild man alone you have 74% equity. I'd rather that extra 14%.

If you are asking why I was talking when I quit the tank session and pushed all in, why not? There's no rule against it; it didn't even draw a frown from the dealer. It's obviously been a few months since that hand played out, so I can't remember my words.

About 10 minutes after the hand, I went to the car and wrote down everything so as to not forget the details, knowing I had to run it thru an odds calculator later to be better equipped to handle a similar circumstance when I see it again.

But the one thing I didn't write down was what I said. It never occured to me that it would matter. I know I can't do anything to directly encourage or discourage action when there are three in the pot, but I can confidently announce my action.

I didn't discuss the hand with the other player after the hand was over. When I had to show my cards, he started congratulating himself, very much relieved at his decision. I listened and stacked my chips.

"Villain has demonstrated other good reads and is clearly the best player at the table, IMO"

i think this is why people are questioning talking to a player. if you think you are adding value by talking to the best player in the game capable of making good reads, you're probably wrong. unless you think you can shift his play to your favor, giving him the least amount of information is probably best.

and calling is far stronger than shoving IMO at these sizes. this isnt a 40$ call that could be weak. this was 200+ which is almost never a "close decision" for you that he can raise you off of.

now if you shove, its looks to me like you might be trying to ISO wildman which widens your range to even AT/77+ depending on how bad/avg villian perceives you. against a good player, you showing that you DON'T want him in makes him more likely to call in my opinion.

im folding to an old man coffee shoving, im more likely calling JJ vs a college kid/book reading type of player because of side pot/stack sizes. personally, im folding JJ after you are in the pot regardless and i'll find a better spot.

Fair points, Are-you-serious, thanks for the feedback.

Welcome aboard.

1) Raise more preflop
2) Raise all in.