KK versus weak player. insight needed
Join Date: Dec 2014
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V is 35ish very talkative white guy weaker player that is not use to playing deepstack, he bought in for 60$ now has 700$ he is now playing super tight. even though he constantky talks about making plays I've rarely seen him bluff. Me and him have quite a bit of history.
H is 21 year old white male with a very tight image. I have 650 in front so that is effective stack.
In an underground 1/2 game H raise to 15$ UTG with K K V is on button and 3bets to 65$ I flat. (is this wrong?)
Flop is 8 8 9 rainbow H check V bets 85 H calls the 85 ( opinions?)
Turn is a Q H checks and V bets 140$ H thinks for 30 seconds and fold.
Thoughts on this hand?
Last edited by Chronarch; 01-03-2015 at 05:57 AM.
Join Date: Jan 2013
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I have tough time figuring out who the actual weak player is.
You are calling your opponent weak, and yet, you can't provide much of any relevant read that would help you to make better decisions.
Then you decided to fold KK because you put him on AA?
Join Date: Dec 2014
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I have history with this player and he has very very little capability of bluffing in this spot I feel his range is QQ+ and I don't beat any hand. Also when he bets turn his hand is shaking pretty bad.
Join Date: Jul 2007
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Should be 4 betting pre unless you know he will fold out worst.
On the flop you are ahead of everything but AA should be c betting or check raising anything to take the initiative the play you are making seems so weak with such a great hand. The turn comes Q which is a horrible card for you or maybe he has got jacks and is shaking cause an over card hit and is scared. But as the other guy mentioned you are not really giving a clear read and your line seems odd for KK check/call is Not something I usually see with KK on such a dry flop unless you are trying to trap
Join Date: Dec 2014
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I just don't see this guy ever 3betting JJ or AK. He might not even 3bet me with QQ in this spot. A 4bet IMO folds out every hand I beat except QQ 100% of the time
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4bet pre unless you think he folds QQ. C/r flop almost certainly (unless he somehow folds QQ).
Given reads turn fold seems correct
Join Date: Oct 2014
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He's nitting up on his money when he's up for 12x his bi, decides this is the moment to 3bet pre. I think you played it fine, if he's decided to bluff here, he will continue to open his game until it cuts him down again, and it . If not, you save a stack. We've got position on him over half the time, I think we can apply pressure on him throughout.
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Given the description, bet the flop. Otherwise, nice hand.
Join Date: Dec 2014
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He ends up showing AA. If I know his range is really that narrow could I ever fold to the just the 3 bet pre? I have never folded KK pre flop and likely won't for a long time this was one of the only scenarios im gonna play kings so weakly. I by no means wanna make a habit out of hero folding, but I think if I think his range is that narrow I could fold. Then again if he only 3 bets AA I should call 50 and set mine getting 12:1 implied.
Last edited by Chronarch; 01-03-2015 at 12:32 PM.
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You can set mine with KK that deep. Never fold it pre.
Hand is dependent on your confidence in his range being QQ+ or better.
If its just KK+. You could actually raise the turn and bomb river. But you have to be certain that he's folding his scared money aces. Only you can answer that question.
