This hand happened a few days ago and I am positive I made some mistakes and I am looking for better ways to extract value.

Hero is UTG with about 400 and covers both

V 1 is UTG +2 fresh off a double up from a cooler. He has about 350. Description: older man some what sprewy, he isn't a complete idiot but seems to always think he is being bluffed.

V2 is in the BB. Dark skinned unsure of his nationality, he is a gambler that's for sure he typically plays black jack. He is very capable of having any two cards and he will call with draws with bad odds. Stack size is about 300 after a nasty suck out

Action:

I look down at KK and make it 10 dollars. V1 calls and v2 calls. Flop come K67 rainbow V2 checks hero checks V 1 makes bets 10$. V2 thinks and calls. Hero decides to check raise to 30. V1 calls and V 2 frustratedly folds.

Turn is a 2 completing a rainbow. V 2 a bout jumps out of his seat. I lead into V 1 for 35 he folds and I scoop the pot while kicking myself under the table. V 2 claimed he folded 22 and I pretended to be happy and said good raise on my part.

Any thoughts on all streets would be appreciated.

raise more pre. at least 15. cbet flop.

The pre flop raise was sized to get a caller or two. Usually the game calls for larger preflop opens but everyone besides those two villains were playing snug. Could an argument be made to not c bet considering that I basically hold the deck in my hands at this point?

Raise more pre. Bet flop FFS. Why does everyone slow play when they have the nuts?! How exactly do you plan on getting 200bb in by checking flop?

What they said. They'll call more pre.
Flop is a ridiculous check raise. You could cbet $25 and get two calls ($50) instead of c/r to $30 with one call ($40). Plus, you disguise yourself much better with two on the line instead of just one. Terrible play.


He didn't have 22.

He definatley had 22 he is a gambler with little logic and had no reason to bull **** me. I figured it would be debateable about the check raise but I see your point plus it's a more standard line and it leaves my range wide open if I just c bet. Like I said I knew I played it bad.

So he calls bottom pair on the flop, hits his miracle 2 outer on the turn and folds to a bet? And he's a gambler?

Not buying it. Neither should you. Poker players always lie about their hands. He gets more value from trying to make people think he can soul read, rather than say he called with A7 pf.

Zero chance he had 22. You really think he called a check raise on the flop with 22, hit his dream card (completing the rainbow) and just folds to one bet. Haha ok.

You didn't show your kings did you?

V2 folded to the flop raise, and is mad he folded because he would have hit his set on the turn. I doubt he was lying, and yes your confusing the two villains.

As for Hero's play, your pretty much announcing your hand as AK or better, so you make it very hard for either villain to pay you off. How would you play KQ here? I would CB this flop as normal, and value bet all streets hoping to get raised. V2 might have floated a 1/3 flop C-Bet and stacked off on the turn. And Villain 1 may have paid off three streets of value with KX to a bet, bet, bet line instead of the too strong flop check raise line on a real dry board.

What's the question? Should you have c/c flop and let v2 spike a set on turn? That's the definition of results oriented thinking.

I think you should almost always be cbetting here (assuming you would be cbetting most of your range here anyways)
This is a decent flop to c/c and slow play actually though. This hits like none of their range and you have all the kings. C/c flop is good too. Damnit now I'm all results oriented on this one!! Haha
Whoops thought the flop was k72.

no because you've described in your OP that both vils are likely to call with weaker holdings. you can get value from Kx, A6, A7, 98, 54, and pretty much all pairs.

on a c/r, while they may call with worse hands, they will call even wider if you just lead out. plus if it gets checked through, 98 and such get a free card.

Simple but effective advice.
A check raise is way too strong here, you are far more likely to be called in 2 spots with very speculative hands if you just Cbet.
Best case scenario the turn is a 7 or 6 and you stack one of them

Yes and no.

The best line here IS to check/call the flop, lead any turn, don't fold (for the most part).

You should almost never slow play. Almost. Top set 3-way on a rainbow board K76 is a good flop to slow play. You can account for 3 K's. It's very hard for a villain to have top pair. Yes villain could have 98 and get a free card. But that's a very small part of their ranges.

Contrast this to K76 when you have 77. Although your hand value is weaker, it's actually a more profitable situation. Villains will more regularly have decent top pair hands to give you value. Not so when you hold KK.

So check the flop. Call any bet. Maybe the turn pairs a villain's A, Q, J or T. Maybe it gives them a straight draw they'll chase without the right odds. Maybe it'll give them a weaker set if they don't already have one. Whatever.

You got crushed by the deck on the flop. That is good AND bad. Stop celebrating and think about that. You need to give villains one card to catch up.

Oh just read the rest of your post! Ha. Agreed!

against these specific villains, i think you can c-bet profitably. i agree, draws are a small part of their range as are Kx. but they'll call with pretty much all pairs and might even float with weird backdoor stuff. v1 is off a cooler + somewhat spewy + never believes anyone. v2 is off a nasty suck out + plays blackjack + gambler + capable of having any 2.

both plays, c/c + lead turn and c-bet are fine imo, but i think c-betting is slightly better for all the times it gets checked thru.

Just re-read the OP. That's fair given reads. Good point.

I'd say c-betting small, lead turn big, is good. Check/call, lead turn big, good, too.

Check/raise... OP... why?!

Also, OP, there probably just wasn't much value to be had in this hand. That's just the way it sometimes is when you flop top set. It's not like you totally screwed up. But you didn't really think about why you checked flop... and then check/raised. Those actions don't make sense. It's like slow play... then blow villains off their hands. Inconsistent. You didn't really think it through, you didn't think about board texture or ranges or tendencies, and that's the mistake.

Ya the action seemed like it was confused V 2 called the 10 dollars from V 1 but folded to my check raise. So I def played the hand wrong but check calling and betting turn isn't a bad play by any means. I am looking for better ways to play the hand not one way to play he hand.

I have to let villains catch up sometimes when I smash this sort of flop. Basically if I would of played it any way other than I did I would of got more value. I just wanted multiple opinions and thoughts, not just "you played it terrible and you should kill yourself." Thanks for the
Thoughts and constructive criticism are appreciated.

Whao after the c/c why lead the turn 2r? What a weird line...

Ok I just wanted some sort I recognition that there is more than one profitable way to play the hand. Some Logic for both plays was very helpful as opposed to tellin me I played he hand terrible. Also the action was being confused I am not sure if that was my fault but V 2 folded to my check raise and V 1 called. Villain 2 proceeded to freak out when the turn came a 2.

Sorry I am posting from my phone and it didn't show my original post. I check raised basically because I was falling into old bad habits, when I was new to this room I would of been snap called in both spots. Now that people no how I play I am looking to improve and think hands through thouroly. This was the one hand I felt lost on all day and it tilted me how badly I played it.

The turn coming a 2 and v2 freaking out is meaningless to the discussion of how the hand was played and it should have been omitted because it will cause people to give advice based on results.

You didn't play it terribly....

What tilted you was being unlucky and not checking to let v2 get super unlucky.

Hand was not played terrible.
Probably not the line I would take because it would be hard for me to balance like any bluffs here, but don't sweat it too much...

Agreed. Don't sweat it man. You actually got some chips here. Not terrible at all.

Well even if I did t play it horrible there was definatley other lines I could of taken. The 22 thing was merely something I found tilting that's all. On a board like that though i likely have my oponents draeing dead, why not let them make two pair or trips. they will be more likely to but in money on future streets drawing dead.

Glad I got some more discussion on this post. It is only my second one but it is a new goal of mine to post a hand acts each session. Mainly hands that I am not crazy about how I ended up playing them.