Alright this table has only been going for about an hour and just incredibly loose. Ive seen prety darn loose calls and some shoves all in for 160$ on the straddles (10$)

ANyways heres the hand.

Me (350$) UTG+1 KsKh
UTG limps for 2$ , ME raises to 10$, 5 other callers and UTG calls too. (FML)

Flop: 7s 8h 10h

I lead for 40$ MP Shoves all in for 150$, CO calls the 150$, folds to me...I know it would be a shove if played any further but can i even do that? I just see so many suited connectors in their range along with sets of any of the flop cards, not to mention the flush draw. What should I do?

Both players were playing extremely loose, but I dont know it that should make it an easier shove or a harder one since theres so many combos they could have.

CO has about 600$ in chips to begin the hand

With my usual disclaimer of me being a nit, I fold. I would not be happy about it, but with only a $10 raise pre, there are so many combinations of hands within their ranges that crushed that flop.
MP shoving for $150 and folds to you, I could see a call at a really lose table. But with the CO callings, I just don't see how we are ahead. CO knows you are still to act when he calls, which indicates to me he isn't afraid of your action (or he is an idiot - which is possible).

allin, and u can raise a little more pre in this case since open raise sizing in live depends on gameflow more than math.

Raise to at least $20 on an "incredibly loose" table - maybe even $25 or $30.

That puts you in a position to 4-bet shove if somebody gets frisky with AK/QQ/JJ, and puts $50-$75 in the pot if you get 1 or 2 callers.

Lead with a big c-bet on any non-A flop. Total investment is about the same as your $10 open and $40 c-bet, and will yield much better results.

Why did you even bet into 6 people on a wet flop with just an overpair? This isn't a tournament - just check fold it and remember to bet more the next time.

For 1 i would of raised it more preflop around $17 and depending how many callers 70 percent of flop cb.

To me it smells like maybe 1 has two pairs/set/straight and the other one has a draw. Unless you believe both of them are drawing then i shove all in. You got to ask yourself what can i beat? All draws, A10, JJ and QQ? AA and QQ very unlikely most likely they of 3bet preflop. You got to go with your gut feelings.

In all actuality i believe that a limp reraise would have worked well but maybe a little too obvious to some, but people had been straddling to 10$ pf and some idiots were shoving all in to steal, and one even showed J 6 ss

make it $15 pre.

flop your cbet is correct. this is a tough spot, i think you can find a fold. this is the absolute worst board for your hand, at best your up against a huge draw. i would fold it. do you really wanna play for 175bbs with just one pair in this spot, i know they are both loose but that board hit their range pretty heavily.

what the fish?

I c/f 6 way

I like a bigger raise preflop. Given the loose table, no one is paying atention to raise size in relation to hand strength but will be less likely to call a bigger one.

As played I fold, you have to most likey dodge the whole deck with about 200 behind and 2 cards to come.

I fold. You have terrible equity in this spot against a ship and a call. You're either way behind or slightly ahead.

After you lead into a $70 pot for $40 on a straightened board... you meet resistance in *two* spots. All you have is an overpair and you really only have two outs to improve.

It's a loose game as you say, so MP and CO could easily have two pair or the straight already leaving you essentially drawing dead. In this spot, what could you plausibly be ahead of? I fold and be happy I "only" lost $50 in this hand.

(Also, I presume it's a 1-2 game? If so, a $10 raise pre-flop probably is not going to push out the suited connectors...... and once you get 6 callers, KK kind of shrivels up and dies. Even on a non-Ace flop.)

Draws and a spaz from a smaller overpair

Sure... from one player. But both MP *and* CO? Not so sure.

Is c-betting this flop a good idea 6-way OOP?

I mean it probably puts you in crappy spots and looks like burning money to me. I would check the flop probably. (but then again I still have LOTS of leaks in my game)

IMO... No.

Ughhh it sucks and I'd love to hear what everyone else has to say about cbetting here. Its a crappy spot to check then overcall a bet and a call.

C/ring here against certain opponents could be a good play.. right?

There's a good argument for bet/fold as lots of worse hands will call.

On a flop with 7 active players, KK has little value. Especially out of position. But here's some reasons for continuation betting off the top of my head:

1. You may still have the best hand and people in $1-2 game are often chased away by bets larger than $20 without more than one pair.

2. You keep control of the hand and a 2/3 pot bet might get a draw to fold.

3. Because you absolutely do not want to check-call and play the guessing game on the turn/river.

4. Blocking bet (though that clearly didn't work here).

5. Even if someone flopped top two, you aren't drawing dead. Though if you get raised, folding is probably the best option (as is the case here).

conclusion? This spot sucks. I'd rather c-bet than check-call, but I would not like being called or raised by anyone.

With a loose table, you need to make it more preflop. However, as played I would fold too.

Is there a good chance someone else will raise preflop with limpers in hand and then even a possibility that some cowboy will come in over the top? If so, I like a limp/reraise preflop.

First, sorry to keep coming back at your specific posts in each thread. I'm just trying to promote discussion of the specific spots.

As for 3. isn't check/calling a good option on this flop as you can call lots of villains that will bet worse here, while a lot of villains will be raising or folding their hands that are behind... its seems like leading and getting played back at is forcing yourself to play the "guessing game", which is kind of what this entire thread is about.

4. Block betting usually doesn't happen OTF and I don't think that was what the OP was going in this specific instance.

Ughhh. I hate it, turns hero's hand face up

true, in that case you just gotta be sure that you're not deep enough that villian can call and play perfectly against your narrow range.

But if you make a big enough LRR you don't give him the odds to "crack your aces" and you just gotta hope he gets stubborn like some villians do.

No worries. I don't see it as "picking on me." With regard to No. 3 - I'd rather lead out than check/call if only because it presents a different image for betting on the turn. (i.e., it might get villain to check behind if we check the turn.) Not that I like either option, but assuming the same amount of money is bet/called on the flop I'd prefer to be the aggressor rather than the caller.

With regard to No. 4 - it may not be a classic "blocking bet" but in a $1/2 game the re-raise usually only signifies a monster, so you often get to control the size of the pot by leading out. Just not in this particular instance.

This is an easy fold.

Agreed that at this table it sounds like a better preflop raise would be something like $20.

I don’t like the limp-raise idea because it sounds unnecessary at this table. (Because my criteria for choosing to limp-raise require a specific target on my immediate left and strong reads both that he will raise and that there will be multiple callers in-between us.)

I don’t like a continuation bet here. Once my pre-flop raise is called by 6 opponents, KK loses a lot of it's appeal. I might make the c-bet if I had position and had solid reads that go beyond “oh boy is this table loose.” But OOP with a flop such as this one, I’m checking. If we see the turn for free then I might consider a bet at that point.