1/2 NL. 500 max (or table chip leader)
I have 360$
Villain has ~ 300$
Btn has ~ 170 $

I only have this session with V, at this point only about 3 hours. The only hand I saw him flip was when the pot was straddled from the button to 10$ and he was 2nd to act in the BB he made it 20(or 25) and had about 5 callers. The flop came out 8h3x4h and he insta-pushed for ~400 and was insta-called by 88. V showed QQ and tried to justify it by saying he would never fold there and that was going to happen.

Regardless, he has shown that he is very very much a NIT. He actually complained about not getting any hands then not long after raised and showed AK. Then about 15 mins later this hand happened.

I do not think he has any image of me whatsoever because I just don't think he was paying too much attention to me. He had a few friends at the table + MNF was on and a lot of the tables attention was there.

I am in the CO and make it 17$ with KcKh
Btn makes the call
V 3-bets me to 50$
I call. (probably a fault of mine here but this was the ONLY time V 3-bet ANY hand preflop)
Btn makes the call.
153$s in the pot.

flop comes out 7d8d9c and V sort of puts his hands in the air in a "well. what-are-you-going to do" motion and bets out 100$ and I go into the tank. I try to get V to start talking and try to give him $$ to show one card but he is smiling, generally seems relaxed, and says no but says "I will show after."

Also, I know the BTN is putting his last 120$ into the pot (just by the way he is acting and a general physical read) and I know if I make the call or raise I am effectively putting in the rest of my stack against the V who at this point only has 150$ left.

I decided to fold for a net loss of 50$. I could only put V on AA or QQ (or KK but that is what like 1.7% chance?) I put Btn on a pair, a pair and draw, or set. I have seen him limp and/or call raises pre with hands like AJ-AK and JJ-22

After I fold Btn puts his chips in and is called by V. As it turns out V has QQ and Btn had JJ and the run out came X-X and QQ scooped just over 350$.

I think it is pretty obvious that I can only put V on AA KK or QQ so I am basically ahead ~49 and behind ~49 with the random chance he has KK and this does not account of the Btn's hand. If he had any pair 55-JJ he has some huge equity & may also outright have the best hand.

I think I made the right fold here but after seeing how the hand ended I have been killing myself over it. I did not think a player as tight as villain would 3-bet QQ out of position and would ONLY do it with AA (or KK).


What I need help on is firstly, what do you think? What could I have done different?
How could I mathematically compute EV & equity & pot odds in this 3-way pot with 2 stacks effectively lower than mine?
Can anyone ever fold KK here?
Last thing too. I was planning on leaving within two hours and I was not going to re-buy if I got stacked. I ended up using that as some justification because I knew that the table was pretty weak and I could chip away at the 50$ loss (which I did. I ended up leaving with 500$ or 25% of my buy in)

Next time, don't try to engage the villain when making a decision. All you did was tell him that you didn't have AA. Don't ask to see a card. And don't give the results in the OP.
It bias the answer.

The main mistake in your logic is that you see it as a flip, but you're getting better than that to call. That makes it an easy call.

Your main mistake in this hand is making a big assumption about a player when you only have 3 hours of play with them. At max in a live FR envrionment this is only 100 hands.

Now, you can make assumptions and adjust your game accordingly based on way less than 100 hands; however, making large assumptions and drastically adjusting your game based on 100 hands is almost always a mistake. This is a mistake I've made several times.

Not 4betting pre is basically saying either you think he only 3bets AA or he never continues with worse than KK if you 4bet pre. Pretty drastic assumption for 3 hours of play imo (especially only 150~ bbs deep). I would 4bet pre; probably just jam - I think it can be perceived as weaker than a small 4bet tbh.

As played on flop the same logic applies. If you're folding here with KK with an SPR of like 1.5:1 or less than your assuming that villain only has AA and/or would never cbet TT-KK in this fashion. I would jam the flop as played.

Also, listen to Venice, next time don't post results; you are way less likely to get good advice.

Terrible fold, pretty much an automatic stack off given stack sizes and giving deeper vil big pairs/ak/aqish range

I will go 3 hours easily w/o 3betting a hand, and I generally play tight. Doesn't mean I won't 3b JJ here and feel good about getting it in on this flop.

Also, I generally agree that bigger preflop sizings are better but 8.5x is just too much imo. Especially with a hand as strong as KK.


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I hate the flat pre flop. I know some players in a home game who I have played with for 100s of hours...and I sometimes can make some big folds there.

But you only have 3 hours experience with the guy. Even some "NITs" have a 3bet range of TT+, and we're crushing that range. Once you throw in the fact he could be tilting from losing 400 with QQ within the last hour, I am always 4betting with kings here.

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