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09-26-2013 , 07:19 AM
History: villain and I have a dynamic where he will rarely fold to me because I used to bluff a lot so I have reduced barreling against him.

Villain $700 - early 40's east indian guy. solid tag. I hate the guy cause he owns me so much but he knows what he's doing. I'm pretty sure this is a part of how he makes a living.

Hero $700 - perceived image to villain: young/bluffy/decent but inferior to villain. Villain knows hero has tendency to make hero calls.

Hand

Straddle utg, one limp, I raise to $15 with KK, one caller, villain calls, one caller.

Flop $60
JJ4

Utg1 bets $35
Hero calls
Villain calls.

Turn $165
5
Checks to hero who bets $45
Villain calls

River $255
6

Villain checks to Hero who bets $105 and raises to $350. Hero folds.

I raised small pre because this table has been calling a lot and I felt if a train started bb or straddle would try making a move.

1) should i raise flop? I don't want to lose any action from small/medium pairs so I flat.
2) should i check back turn for pot control? I did want to get some value for ace highs and pairs who don't believe me and i feel i may have opened the door to get bluffed given money behind etc.
3) after betting turn and being flat should i check back river? I figured i needed to bet for some value.
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09-26-2013 , 07:37 AM
Fold flop
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09-26-2013 , 08:38 AM
I dont mind the call on Flop .. UTG leading out is a bit unsettling but apparently he was just checking his pocket pair out. What position is V in ... sb/bb? Did he check/call the Flop?

The Turn bet is fine as well with me, but maybe not some. You really didnt get any info from V calling the Flop bet at 4 to 1. But then you give him 4 to 1 again by betting so small ... This is also fine IMO since you are in position to get to a showdown on the River. I consider this to be a 'blocker' bet for the River action since River really should be a fold to any bet over 60% of the pot. If you check the Turn through then you probably would have been faced with a River bet larger than $45, so you save money by betting the Turn this way when you are in position.

The River is just a check if you are going to fold to a raise. You have a very nice showdown hand and you arent going to get much value on the River from worse hands IMO.

If you planned on calling the raise, then betting is fine. Did he really expect you to bet this River 90% of the time ... that is a pretty big 'tell' on you if it is true when he is holding a J ... or any other strong hand he wants to get value from. Are you folding to his River lead bet ... and he knows this? This could be another 'tell' as well ...

If he did this without a J or other strong holding, then you are giving something off with your bet sizing or actions at the table.

When someone 'owns' you then slow down in those hands and work on the other opponents at the table during your session. GL
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09-26-2013 , 08:46 AM
What position is villain in here? He looks like he is after you on flop and turn but before you on river.

1: You can raise here some of the time but mostly I'm flatting also.
2: Either is fine. With two villains in pot I like betting here most of the time.
3: After villain flat calls flop and turn, I'm checking behind here a lot. Better hands are not folding and only the most stationary villains are going to call with worse very often.

This is the sort of situation where knowing villain's ranges and tendencies are vital. Are they sticking around with any pair or is their range jack heavy after the flop? Will they bet weak hands here hoping to take it down or are their bets mostly big value?
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09-26-2013 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Lionhat
1) should i raise flop? I don't want to lose any action from small/medium pairs so I flat.
2) should i check back turn for pot control? I did want to get some value for ace highs and pairs who don't believe me and i feel i may have opened the door to get bluffed given money behind etc.
3) after betting turn and being flat should i check back river? I figured i needed to bet for some value.
1) No. That would qualify as turning a pretty good hand into a bluff.

2) Yes. With a bet before you and a call behind you on the flop, I think you very rarely have the best hand there.

3) As played, yes, check the river and evaluate his bet (probably folding).
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09-26-2013 , 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by QuadJ
What position is villain in here? He looks like he is after you on flop and turn but before you on river.
Oops. Good point. I missed that. How can he check the river to you when he's in position?
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09-26-2013 , 08:55 AM
If villain has small and medium pairs in his range you should be raising the flop. Not flatting you won't lose value because these people don't follow up aggression ott with that range.

In the op villain is described as a solid tag. He should never have a small/medium pair. He has a jack like 100% of the time given his profile. 40 year old indian, probably is a little tight passive. I expect a j almost always. That's why I recommend folding flop. Since you can't blow him off hands like AJ/KJ.
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09-26-2013 , 09:04 AM
I have weak-tight tendencies but I play this hand for a small pot and showdown. We are way ahead or way-behind, with little chance of anything changing by the river.

Use your position. Call flop, Check turn, then call a reasonable river bet (your turn check gets his smaller pairs to bet).
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09-26-2013 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by mtagliaf
I have weak-tight tendencies but I play this hand for a small pot and showdown. We are way ahead or way-behind, with little chance of anything changing by the river.

Use your position. Call flop, Check turn, then call a reasonable river bet (your turn check gets his smaller pairs to bet).
Definitely don't like this line at all.
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