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05-11-2021 , 04:33 PM
1/2 NL 8 handed.

KK in the SB. UTG+1 raises to $8. Button calls. I raise to $35. Only UTG+1 calls. Flop is AQ3 rainbow. Pot is $80.

I lead for $40. He calls. Turn is 10. Pot is $160.

I check. He bets $40. What would you do? I assume some or most wouldn’t lead the flop. If you call this for and a blank comes on the river, then what? He has $60 behind.

Player has shown that he will call you down even if has 2nd pair at times. But he also rarely raises preflop.

KK is annoying when that Ace hits the flop.
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05-11-2021 , 04:45 PM
Pot is $80 on the flop and villain has $140? Tough situation against a run of the mill passive opponent. Your beat more then winning but with effective SPR < 2 it's really hard to fold.

I don't mind the flop bet against a passive opponent with a short stack. All but the most clueless are going to be aware this is a pot committing call. If he didn't have the ace he is folding almost every time. Making a tight fold on the turn is usually correct.

If you call turn you have to call 100% of river. Villain doesn't have enough left for folding to be right at that point.
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05-11-2021 , 05:26 PM
Not to sound like dougy p but raise call or fold are all fine. His bet size feels weak but he's super short so who knows

I'm betting flop but smaller. 25-30 accomplishes the same thing as 40 and gives us more a little more room to maneuver.

Time to make a live read and go with it. If he really never raises pre like <5% then I'd wave the white flag
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05-11-2021 , 05:38 PM
I would bet smaller or check to flop; when you bet this big on the flop you really isolate yourself to better hands (he might even fold a queen if you bet that size) so I like betting $20 or even less, or checking.

OTT after betting flop for that size you're very likely behind, but you also have 4 outs to the nuts, and 2 outs to a medium strong hand, and sometimes a board pairing out to counterfit some 2pair hands. Vs a bet that is only 1/4 even oop I think we have to call and then fold the river (even though he has only 60 left on the river). You're not calling because you're in a very good, happy spot; you're calling because you have such a good price on your call to improve and also there's a small chance he has a hand like QJ which might check back the river, although that is unlikely imo.
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05-11-2021 , 05:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by drowski
Not to sound like dougy p but raise call or fold are all fine. His bet size feels weak but he's super short so who knows

I'm betting flop but smaller. 25-30 accomplishes the same thing as 40 and gives us more a little more room to maneuver.

Time to make a live read and go with it. If he really never raises pre like <5% then I'd wave the white flag
I only saw him turn over one hand that he raised with. 99. Which he called down with and lost.
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05-12-2021 , 06:08 AM
I'd check the flop. If he has an ace, you've got 2 outs. If not, you can afford to give him free card. His 3 bet calling range is filled with Ax.
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05-13-2021 , 08:58 PM
I’d make this $40 to go preflop. AP 20-25 on flop seems much better than 40 for both our value and our bluffs, and even our range bet hands like this one.


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05-14-2021 , 09:15 AM
I'd go a hair smaller OTF and fold to a turn bet. Most players aren't going to be floating an A high board after you 3bet unless they have the A. Without a specific read I think it's best to make the tight fold.
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05-15-2021 , 04:37 PM
I raise a hair larger pre- considering your position, V1's stack size and the fact that the BTN called the initial raise - BTN (stack size?) has to call $27 (more) to win $80. 3:1 is a good price for a lot of hands, especially IP OTB. Maybe $45? You're pretty much then playing your hand face-up, but $18 uncontested is still profit for the hand instead of having to navigate multi-way (re)raised pot OOP.

As played, I agree with all others regarding a lead bet size of $25-30 to accomplish the same goal and then most likely c/f to V1's turn bet, considering stack size and all other factors.

Last edited by sam7595; 05-15-2021 at 04:45 PM.
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05-15-2021 , 06:34 PM
Range bet flop is fine, but go way smaller. AP I call turn.
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05-17-2021 , 06:43 PM
I applaud the plus-sized pre-flop bet. Glad you got a call. Sucks an A hit the flop. When that happens you either have to go conservative and check or bet something to try and take down the pot then and there. 1/2 pot bet forces villain to sort of declare his strength - if his hand is good, he'll call or pop. Otherwise it's a big enough bet to check out. I can't think of anything else villain would call that flop bet with that you can beat. So AP I'd fold turn. A for effort.
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